Overuse Injuries From Work, Shooting, Reloading

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As do my ears when the wife opens the monthly statements....:eek:

I'll actually get knee pain from standing for too long at the reloading bench (I have a really bad right knee; Osgood-Schlatter as a kid, 3 surgeries from a dislocation, a torn ACL, and a patella release with partially torn/peeled articular cartilage from right femur, etc.). I stood and loaded the 500 red-white-blue bullets I got last weekend for a few hours each on Sat and Sun and I had to ice the old joint for three straight nights in order to sleep well. :thumbdown:

(I'm lucky! I just get sore when I overuse the joint, a lot of my friends are far worse off than me with debilitating back injuries, having fought cancers, etc.)

Stay safe.

I built my reloading benches so that I could sit while reloading. I can no longer stand for any length of time without pain.
 
I try to move around at the range. Fortunately I work nights. Range is usually quiet after work and have it to myself.

Do I move around to be tactical and be more like an operator? Heck no! Stand still too long, various pains, move around too much, other pains. God is a cruel jokester.

I still have a Bowflex that I use. I've always found that strength training helps with shooting. Had the machine for years. Changed up my routines multiple times depending on arthritis levels (Arthur is a cruel taskmaster!).

When I went to manufacturing from electrical construction, got a whole new bunch of pains. Beginnings of carpal, forearm and elbow pains, etc. Repetitive work. Thank God I had a skill, moved into maintenance. Now I'm paid for what I know, not what I produce.

For quite awhile I didn't shoot more than a .22. Hurt too much. It's just been within the last six months that I'm getting good again with my carriers. Learned that it's a degradable skill. Working on it again.
 
The main thing I need to work on is reducing the palm up/palm down repetitions. Literally might be 1000 reps on a normal work day.

Can you change the press handle so you are holding it in a "handshake" orentation? Handshake is more normal, at least to me. I reload sitting down because I can't stand in one place. My chair is a metal folding chair 18"-22" hi, and my bench is an old library table with the top replaced and reinforced and adjusted to comfortable height. I sit slightly to tje left of the press so my arm only has to move up and down, kind of like an exaggerated arm swing, moves up and down. My 1938 Pacific press single stage has a bar with a bicycle grip. I open my hand, wrap my fingers behind the grip and begin lifting it. It transitions to the top of my hand between thumb and forefinger, then as it goes to vertical it's inside my palm against the root of my thumb; let down is let it fall into my open fingers and lower. BTW, I size and load 30-06.
 
I built my reloading benches so that I could sit while reloading. I can no longer stand for any length of time without pain.
Mine doesn’t have space underneath for my knees, so I end up sitting a bit too far away from the bench on the barstool. When I’m seated I just can’t reach everything easily.
When I case-prep I can sit down, so no issues doing that :).
Stay safe.
 
I have a bulging disk in my neck due to a doctor's mistake. I have Horandy progressive and single stage presses. Pulling the levers while reloading causes my neck to flare up if I'm resizing brass, so I have my youngest son do that for me on the single stage press. I use hand held deprimers and primers. I'm able to load about 50 rounds per day on the progressive press if all I'm using it for is loading the powder and seating the bullet since there's little tension on the lever. My neck is much better than it was, and I'm working on getting it back to 100%.
 
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I split my time between training horses, custom fabrication and blacksmithing work, and helping a couple farmers out.
About 10 years ago a horse kicked me and broke the outside bone in my left forearm (bad enough the ER doctor asked me if the bone had come out of the skin what I had done to set it). I did a half cast/splint for 3 weeks to get over the swelling, a cast for 8 weeks, then a soft cast/brace for a month. When it was over and done the doctor told me I had less than 20 percent bone growth and that it was pretty much scar tissue holding things together.

I lost quite a bit of range of motion in my ability to rotate my left palm from down to up and I imagine I have similar problems to what you are experiencing.

Long story short I now get bouts of tendinitis, and have frequent arthritis type pain in that elbow. My shoulders and other joints are showing a lot of wear but it is always that forearm and elbow that catch up to me first. The best thing I have found for it is kinesiology tape. I use the KT pro tape and wrap it around my forearm just below the elbow with moderate tension. This seems to provide the tendon support I need, without the bulk of a brace, and it also increases blood flow to the area. The pro tape will stay on for 3-4 days even with lots of sweating and showers once or twice a day (it will also remove your arm hair the first time you pull it off). Last winter it got bad enough my elbow was cracking every time I straightened my arm and I was having trouble lifting things like a water glass. I used the tape steadily for a month and the problems went back to just being intermittent. Now I might put it on for 3 or 4 days out of a month when I start to get a flare up.

It seems like snake oil but for no more than it costs I encourage you to try it.
 
I have been enjoying the slower times for my work, by getting in alot of reloading, but that came to a sudden end, when I tore my bicep tendon and now I am not reloading, working HVCR service with one arm in a sling, and not a very happy camper. Been quite a year, so far, and it's not even half over. Doctor asked me why I was trying to lift something so heavy, and I told him that is what I have done my whole life, in heating and cooling. His response was that now that I am 59, I better rethink the lifting part. I guess he's probably right. At least the pain in the bicep has me forgetting all the other pains I have through the rest of the body.
 
The main thing I need to work on is reducing the palm up/palm down repetitions. Literally might be 1000 reps on a normal work day.
I don't think I know a single person who works in a factory, or assembly line, construction, or other repetitive motion job that doesn't have some sort of chronic pain.

I spent five years "marking timber". This involved using paint guns with a squeeze mechanism on a very tightly sprung paint gun, with quart sized cans screwed onto the bottom. Most normal days we would go through 36 quarts per person, but on a nice weather day when everyone slept well, and depending on timber densities and prescriptions, we did go as high as 48 quarts in a day. You would think we would all have had Popeye forearms and be able to crush a walnut with our fingers. Instead we all had carpal tunnel and nerve damage.

If I do some quick math figuring:
43,560 sqft / acre
Residual density was about 20' x 20', so that's 400 sqft per tree. Divide that into 43,560 and you get 108 trees per acre.
I would typically mark about 10 acres on average per day, so that's 1080 trees marked per day.
It took 9 squeezes of the paint gun per tree to get an adequate mark. So that's 9,720 squeezes of that paint gun per day, and 38,880 per week. I'll figure 4 days per week, because we did have other duties to perform as well, but we did work 6 days a week sometimes. That's 2,021,276 per year, and 10,108,800 in the five years I did the job, and countless miles walked.

I remember my finger tips often felt cold on warm days and I would drop something out of the blue. It would just slip from between my fingers and I'd have no idea until it hit me in the foot. After doing the math, I see why.

I'm very fortunate that this was between the ages of 23 and 28, and is many years past. Those were good years, and a ton of fun, but when I think about what I was doing to my hands, not to mention the beating my ankles, knees, hips, and back took from constantly hiking, I shutter a bit. I only got into shooting the last year or two I did that job, and then I was promoted. I wonder how my poor shooting back then was added to with the impacts of that job.

One thing is for sure, I'm a much better shooter now, though a lot of that is experience of course. I doubt very much that I could have tolerated reloading.

All in all I'm in good health for a early middle aged guy, and I hope it stays that way. I do wonder though will my repetitive habits do harm in the long run. I mean I have already worn out more boots hiking at age 39 than some people will in a lifetime. I religiously lift fairly heavy dumbbells every other night as well and my hands and arms are sore afterwards. I sometimes wonder if it is a detriment to shooting. Maybe a more moderate weight would be better.

Occasionally I end up with a locked up back after a range session. I can't tolerate a modified isosceles stance for very long as being slightly leaned forward ruins my back fast. So I instinctively fall into a Weaver stance. However, that position hurts after very long also. So I have to switch things up. I expect this would be a major detriment if I ever chose to compete.
 
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Heavy workouts are a thing of the past, now it's low weight/high reps. Been that way for about 7 years. An odd condition causes my left elbow to lock up, causing a hard stop just past 90°. This makes for fun washing hair-never know when it may happen. Scoliosis has been a problem for well over 3 decades, but constant use of the crunch and back-extension machines at the gym keeps it at bay. Now, though, it's been pure hell not being able to go to the gym, due to other people's fear, and our governor's good for thee, but not for me approach to the present debacle. Walking, push-ups, and using a combo back/abdominal machine has sufficed for the last few months, but is sorely lacking. Also lacking is the heavy bag from the gym, which would come in very handy right now, considering how I feel. Doctor says stay the course, cuz it's working. Don't know how far back I've drifted in the last few months, though, and shooting hasn't really suffered.
 
I've got an office job, which sometimes makes things worse when I need to visit a plant and I'm on my feet all day. Then on the weekends I'm an avid DIYer, anything from large remodeling jobs on the house to clutch replacements on cars and everything in between. Needless to say, I go through a lot of ibuprofen on Sunday evenings and Monday mornings. I try to work out, which definitely helps, but at the same time I'm unwilling to realize that my 37 year old body can't do what it could in my 20's, so I seem to get a lifting related injury about once a year. And it's embarrassing to say this, but there's been days I've done too much, like the time I dug a ton of post holes by hand near a tree-line, or when I ripped out a large deck (and post holes) by myself in 2 days and literally felt like I had the flu the day after after both times. I grew up on a farm, and in my youth daily hard work was the norm.

Thus far, none of that has affected my shooting or reloading, except when I randomly pull my back (normally from forgetting to stretch) and I'm practically bedridden for a few days.
 
Fence building, hay baling, corn scooping, wrench pulling has been my life. I wrecked my shoulders pulling t posts, then again in April when I laid my tractor/trailer over dumping a load of lime.
Cortisone shot #2 in my right shoulder 10 days ago is helping.
My doc says to be certain to keep that (ALEVE) dose regularly BEFORE the pain sets in.
Good advice.
To keep this shooting related, I ordered some things to lighten my recoil while shooting trap.
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I already have recoil reducers in my guns.

Be really careful about Aleve, and any other Nsaids. I took Naprosin,which became Aleve when it went off script for years and years, mostly for my left shoulder, which hurt a lot back then. I probably took it over 20 years all together. 2 a day. I take other meds and have blood work 2X a year, and I probably wouldn't be here if I didn't. My blood work was "fine", year after year, and suddenly, it wasn't. My kidney numbers suddenly went all wrong. My GP said, "Your kidney stuff is all out of whack", so he sends me to a Nephrologist, who tells me I've lost 33% of my kidney function! even before I saw him, the nurse told me if I was taking any Nsaids to stop immediately. I did. It took several years for my kidney function to almost become normal. No other changes in meds, etc, I just stopped taking Nsaids almost completely. I maybe take about 10 of them a year, only when my back is really rolling.

I thought the kidney thing linked to Nsaids was a rare thing, but it's not.
 
I don't think I know a single person who works in a factory, or assembly line, construction, or other repetitive motion job that doesn't have some sort of chronic pain.

I spent five years "marking timber". This involved using paint guns with a squeeze mechanism on a very tightly sprung paint gun, with quart sized cans screwed onto the bottom. Most normal days we would go through 36 quarts per person, but on a nice weather day when everyone slept well, and depending on timber densities and prescriptions, we did go as high as 48 quarts in a day. You would think we would all have had Popeye forearms and be able to crush a walnut with our fingers. Instead we all had carpal tunnel and nerve damage.

If I do some quick math figuring:
43,560 sqft / acre
Residual density was about 20' x 20', so that's 400 sqft per tree. Divide that into 43,560 and you get 108 trees per acre.
I would typically mark about 10 acres on average per day, so that's 1080 trees marked per day.
It took 9 squeezes of the paint gun per tree to get an adequate mark. So that's 9,720 squeezes of that paint gun per day, and 38,880 per week. I'll figure 4 days per week, because we did have other duties to perform as well, but we did work 6 days a week sometimes. That's 2,021,276 per year, and 10,108,800 in the five years I did the job, and countless miles walked.

I remember my finger tips often felt cold on warm days and I would drop something out of the blue. It would just slip from between my fingers and I'd have no idea until it hit me in the foot. After doing the math, I see why.

I'm very fortunate that this was between the ages of 23 and 28, and is many years past. Those were good years, and a ton of fun, but when I think about what I was doing to my hands, not to mention the beating my ankles, knees, hips, and back took from constantly hiking, I shutter a bit. I only got into shooting the last year or two I did that job, and then I was promoted. I wonder how my poor shooting back then was added to with the impacts of that job.

One thing is for sure, I'm a much better shooter now, though a lot of that is experience of course. I doubt very much that I could have tolerated reloading.

All in all I'm in good health for a early middle aged guy, and I hope it stays that way. I do wonder though will my repetitive habits do harm in the long run. I mean I have already worn out more boots hiking at age 39 than some people will in a lifetime. I religiously lift fairly heavy dumbbells every other night as well and my hands and arms are sore afterwards. I sometimes wonder if it is a detriment to shooting. Maybe a more moderate weight would be better.

When I started moving into middle age I got away from the free weights. Got a Bowflex. It seemed better on the joints. Lately I've been doing more reps at a lighter weight. Also helps the joints. Mixing in more walks and bike rides. At 59 I'm just happy to keep fairly trim and semi toned with a good ticker.
 
Be really careful about Aleve, and any other Nsaids. I took Naprosin,which became Aleve when it went off script for years and years, mostly for my left shoulder, which hurt a lot back then. I probably took it over 20 years all together. 2 a day. I take other meds and have blood work 2X a year, and I probably wouldn't be here if I didn't. My blood work was "fine", year after year, and suddenly, it wasn't. My kidney numbers suddenly went all wrong. My GP said, "Your kidney stuff is all out of whack", so he sends me to a Nephrologist, who tells me I've lost 33% of my kidney function! even before I saw him, the nurse told me if I was taking any Nsaids to stop immediately. I did. It took several years for my kidney function to almost become normal. No other changes in meds, etc, I just stopped taking Nsaids almost completely. I maybe take about 10 of them a year, only when my back is really rolling.

I thought the kidney thing linked to Nsaids was a rare thing, but it's not.
My cousin is in the hospital right now with 5 bleeding stomach ulcers. He was losing large amounts of blood and passed out. He was taking Aleve for his shoulder too.
I think I'll just deal with the hurt, and not cause myself more misery later...
Thanks for the heads-up!
 
My cousin is in the hospital right now with 5 bleeding stomach ulcers. He was losing large amounts of blood and passed out. He was taking Aleve for his shoulder too.
I think I'll just deal with the hurt, and not cause myself more misery later...
Thanks for the heads-up!

I've got this theory that old people now are tough partly because there was less artificial crap when they grew up. Middle age guys that grew up in the 70s and 80s were usually exposed to way more artificial stuff than a person born in the 40s and 50s. Younger people have meds thrown at them to fix every little problem that older people were told to "just deal with it." Of course older people tend to have more inner strength too, which helps them work through pain instead of taking meds.
 
Anybody else overwork their hands and forearms between work, shooting and reloading ammo?

I work in manufacturing and thankfully a robot or foreign country has not replaced me yet but between 40hrs+ and reloading ammo, I'm constantly fighting overuse injuries. It has even hit my elbow/bicep from too much twisting of my forearm. Sometimes it takes months of thought and counter movements/exercises to fix the imbalance. It can really gets in the way of a fun hobby.

This post is 2 paragraphs shorter than intended because my right wrist hurts!:confused::mad::(

I’m assuming what you have is distal tendonitis. I have it flare up here and there myself though I do not have the dame background as you do. It just came upon me one day. So far it is not so bad to affect anything in my life in any real way.
 
Why don't we all just do what our personal doctors recommend?

Doctors are often wrong and no doctor that I know of has time to keep up with new techniques. Most will continue to use what they learned in medical school through their whole career.
 
Doctors are often wrong and no doctor that I know of has time to keep up with new techniques. Most will continue to use what they learned in medical school through their whole career.
I don't disagree and I almost never use them in general. What I was trying to imply is that we are getting off topic and into medical care, rather than repetitive injuries impacting our enjoyment of shooting sports.
 
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