Pa Home rule

[Stephen21B]

I was driving through town today, when I noticed a sign in several yards, at first I thought it was just the usual "vote for me" signs but when I looked closer I saw that they said "home Rule, vote yes" I gotta say I didn't expect all that Bull excrement from Philadelphia to spread all the way up here to Lock Haven minus the college population the people around here tend to be Pro-gun but then I got to thinking that I had seen warning signs even before this, a while back the local dollar general put up a no firearms sign needless to say I haven't shopped there since . but regardless what if this Home rule garbage passes in Philly whats to keep it from spreading to the rest of the state? should I be worried?

 

[Ian Sean]

It was shot down before I believe, the PA supreme court ruled against it...but who knows now-a-days...when Rendellgrad (Philadelphia) squeaks...the rest of PA pays to grease it.

 

[Stephen21B]

It's also been my experience that about 50% of the PA state police is anti-gun and about 85% of the college students are at least fence sitters with a few maybe 5-10% who vehemently anti-gun, I may just be paranoid but it seems like this state is on the downward slope

 

[mike101]

Philadelphia should secede from PA and hook up with NJ. We have a lot in common. Here in NJ, the criminals have most of the guns, too.

 

[Glockman17366]

I wish we could give Philadelphia to NJ, or MD.
I even thought about trading Philly for the eastern shore of MD (which has had successsion movements) or western MD.
It would be nice to put all the anti-rights places in one enclave so we can keep an eye on them...

 

[5string_dean]

I saw that sign when my wife & I were riding thru Lock Haven (what a great day to be out on the motorcycle! & glorious fall scenery!).

I'm not sure exactly what "home rule" means or what it's ramifications would be for gun owners. Could you elaborate? Would it somehow affect pre-emption?

We also saw that "no firearms" sign in the dollar store window... I had been thinking of running in there to buy a chocolate bar, but, since I had my CCW on me, they lost a sale.... :-(

 

[General Geoff]

The "no firearms' sign in the dollar general store holds no legal significance. Same with this whole "home rule" nonsense. even if it's passed, unless it's a state law, it holds no legal significance.

 

[Megistopoda]

Pennsylvanians, like others, might be initially favorable regarding home rule. Why? Because in theory, it allows local governments to manage their own affairs without the state stepping in and saying "no." Some might even think of home rule laws being semi-equivalent of "individual rights."

But think again. In 1970, Illinois became a home-rule state. It was pushed, and pushed HARD, by the Chicago contingent. This same thing is probably being pushed by Philly. Chicago has it's own problems and thinks it has its own solutions. Primary among these solutions are gun control issues. Chicago's bans are nearly as strict as DCs...and we all know how effective those regs are at reducing violent crime.

Also, during the time Chicago contingent pushed for (and got) home rule, they also changed the right to keep and bear arms guarantee in the state constitution. It now reads:

SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS - Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

That the INDIVIDUAL is explicitly stated, without reference to a militia, you would think would be a good thing...clear and unambiguous. But the kicker is "subject only to the police power." Thus, the "right of the individual" is wholly restricted by and subject to, police power. Police power is delegated by the state legislature, and also in Illinois, by home rule municipalities such as Chicago, Cook County, Aurora, Oak Park, etc. What this means is that Illinoisans have no right to keep and bear arms. Each and every year, the Chicago contingent introduces many anti-gun bills in the state legislature. These bills require only a simple majority vote to pass, even though they are supported almost entirely by home-rule Chicago and Cook county, and even though, via home rule, Chicago and Cook ALREADY have such laws in place! But when we introduce Right-to-Carry legislation, these bills need a super-majority (2/3) to pass! Why? Because they over-ride home-rule ordinances in Chicago!

Home rule has turned out to be a disaster in Illinois, at least regarding RKBA issues.

I truly hope that PA will not accept the supposed enticements home rule has to offer.

 

[jacobhh]

mike101 you got that right! I wish all the DelVal TVnews stations would
stop painting everyone with more than one semi-auto and a mil-surp
who reloads as a battle ready terrorist with an "extensive armory
of weapons" and "explosives." Unfortunately most of the public seems
to get their opinions from these jackass chicken littles and their
alarmist-for-a-buck producers.

 

[N3HCP]

It's also been my experience that about 50% of the PA state police is anti-gun and about 85% of the college students are at least fence sitters with a few maybe 5-10% who vehemently anti-gun, I may just be paranoid but it seems like this state is on the downward slope
It has been my observation that the eastern end of the state is becoming more and more liberal. I believe it's the influx of people from NY and NJ into the Pocono region and Philly suburbs that accounts for a lot of it.

 

[.cheese.]

so if I understand this correctly, it would shift the power of government from State to City?

That would be the end of guns being technically legal to own and carry in Philly.

 

[jacobhh]

people from NY and NJ into the Pocono region and Philly suburbs that accounts for a lot of it

Southwest NJ IS the Philly suburbs. I live on Wayne Avenue
surrounded by Narberth, Wynfield and Brynmawr Avenues. Who do you
think influenced those namings?

The Bill of Rights is in danger everywhere. Blaming a labled group
is a slippery slope. Protect it all not just the parts in tune with your
lifestyle.

If things continue in the direction they're heading only the elite
billionaire internationalists will be comfortable in the new society.
IMHO, of course.