Pachmayr or Limbsaver - what size for M44
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Jackal
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Medium will fit, but a small is almost ideal.
Rasputin747
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As many have said:
"Take it like a man!"
"Take it like a man!"
Dave Markowitz
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Possible alternative to consider
An alternative to adding a recoil pad is to get a PAST recoil sheild, which goes on you instead of the gun. (Link to it at Midway.)
I have one of these and they work. The nice thing about them is that you don't need to buy a recoil pad for each heavy kicking gun you have, nor do you need to do any mods to the gun.
An alternative to adding a recoil pad is to get a PAST recoil sheild, which goes on you instead of the gun. (Link to it at Midway.)
I have one of these and they work. The nice thing about them is that you don't need to buy a recoil pad for each heavy kicking gun you have, nor do you need to do any mods to the gun.
silverlance
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to be honest
You don't actually need either. I know, at the beginning it feels like you're getting your shoulder separated from your body, but it's mainly because you're holding it wrong.
I remember Cosmoline saying something to that effect; he had a very good explanation of why the bone-jarring effect occured and a description of how the rifle should be held.
Basically, the butt doesn't go all the way into the pocket the way small cal guns do - you kind of put it on a bit of the pectoral. And, with practice, you learn how to hold the rilfe - not too hard, not too loose, and definitely NOT with the tip of your thumb sticking up or your lips upcurled. Either of those two last ways will result in a bloody mouth or thumb under recoil as your hands or the butt rams into your protruding body parts.
The best position I have found for firing, and I have many MNs, is a kneeling supported position as I firing off a low bench with one arm on the bench (actually on the gun bag) and the right knee in the dirt (actually on top of an empty CZ silvertip blue box).
Each time I go I put about 60 to 100 rounds down range and get about 2" groups at 100 (I'm a poor shot). My favorite MN to do this with is a beat up gunsmith special $150 M39.
After about half a year of shooting I eventually got to a point where I knew how to instinctively hold the rifles. The best part about this is that the knowledge extends to your other milsurp guns, too. I don't feel anything at all now when I shoot 8mm, x54r, 308, 3006, or 3030.
Kev
You don't actually need either. I know, at the beginning it feels like you're getting your shoulder separated from your body, but it's mainly because you're holding it wrong.
I remember Cosmoline saying something to that effect; he had a very good explanation of why the bone-jarring effect occured and a description of how the rifle should be held.
Basically, the butt doesn't go all the way into the pocket the way small cal guns do - you kind of put it on a bit of the pectoral. And, with practice, you learn how to hold the rilfe - not too hard, not too loose, and definitely NOT with the tip of your thumb sticking up or your lips upcurled. Either of those two last ways will result in a bloody mouth or thumb under recoil as your hands or the butt rams into your protruding body parts.
The best position I have found for firing, and I have many MNs, is a kneeling supported position as I firing off a low bench with one arm on the bench (actually on the gun bag) and the right knee in the dirt (actually on top of an empty CZ silvertip blue box).
Each time I go I put about 60 to 100 rounds down range and get about 2" groups at 100 (I'm a poor shot). My favorite MN to do this with is a beat up gunsmith special $150 M39.
After about half a year of shooting I eventually got to a point where I knew how to instinctively hold the rifles. The best part about this is that the knowledge extends to your other milsurp guns, too. I don't feel anything at all now when I shoot 8mm, x54r, 308, 3006, or 3030.
Kev
Rasputin747
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Please elaborate.
Jackal
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Rasputin, you hear that in prison?
rangerruck
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small, another bene of the pad is, it takes up some distance on that short pull lenght.
silverlance
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ok
well, let's say that you have gotten a nice cheek weld like you were taught in the army. (the ruskies often used chin welds, so this contributes to the problem)
Youve got your sights lined up, your thumb is bent and its joint is sticking straight up... you squeeze your left eye shut... your upper lip curls upward, exposing your teeth... your face is all the way forward, about an inch away from the bolt...
BANG!
rifle recoils back and up, your thumb flies back and slams into your open mouth, teeth dig into thumb joint, upper protruding lip gets squashed, and you set the rifle down and stagger away going "owww...."
DON'T GET TOO CLOSE TO THE BOLT.
KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED AND YOUR TONGUE BEHIND YOUR TEETH.
well, let's say that you have gotten a nice cheek weld like you were taught in the army. (the ruskies often used chin welds, so this contributes to the problem)
Youve got your sights lined up, your thumb is bent and its joint is sticking straight up... you squeeze your left eye shut... your upper lip curls upward, exposing your teeth... your face is all the way forward, about an inch away from the bolt...
BANG!
rifle recoils back and up, your thumb flies back and slams into your open mouth, teeth dig into thumb joint, upper protruding lip gets squashed, and you set the rifle down and stagger away going "owww...."
DON'T GET TOO CLOSE TO THE BOLT.
KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED AND YOUR TONGUE BEHIND YOUR TEETH.
Rasputin747
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Thank you for the tip! I'm getting ready to shoot mine soon and I really appreciate it.
AZTOY
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My buddy did this today with my M44.
Brian Dale
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I already hold the rifles right. I still like the Limbsaver; with it, it takes longer for recoil-induced fatigue to set in.
I have a couple of the slip-on kind, and I can move them to whichever rifle or shotgun I'm shooting a lot. I second the recommendation of using them to adjust length of pull.
I have a couple of the slip-on kind, and I can move them to whichever rifle or shotgun I'm shooting a lot. I second the recommendation of using them to adjust length of pull.
Kymasabe
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I have a small size LimbSaver on my M44
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