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T/C Cherokee .45 update

I liked the prospect of BCRider's thoughts with a repair attempt. So... yesterday I used a heat gun on the low setting and set about warming the wood. I then let the stock sit in the direct sunlight for a spell.

Some "Smooth-On" (EA-40) epoxy was mixed up and while it was cooking, I got the heat gun out again and warmed the wood some more. As I held the cracks open (both sides of the stock had a crack), my buddy Kermit buttered on some epoxy. I relaxed the wood and epoxy oozed out from both sides of both cracks quite well. That pretty much ensured that we had a wet joint... so I opened it up again and he buttered some more in.

I think we got really good coverage, and the warmed wood did seem to give the epoxy a little more fluidity. We wiped the excess off inside and out of both cracks and padded the stock top/bottom with pieces of wood and snugged it down with a C-clamp. It's been curing for 24hrs. so far. You can barely see the crack now.

I don't think there's any stain on the walnut used by T/C for the Cherokee... and I don't know what they use for a finish... but I'm thinking I'll give it a very light scuff with some 600 grit and then a few coats of Tru-Oil by Birchwood Casey and see how it goes.

T/C hasn't replied to my email yet when I enquired about a replacement stock... so, I'll just move ahead with my repair and see where it gets me.

There was no pressure on the screw as I pulled the hardware off the gun. The crack ran right up through the hole for the retaining screw (opposite the lock mechanism)... and another crack in the wood behind the lock mechanism. Everything appears to fit nicely upon disassembly... so, I'm suspecting a flawed stock from the get go... and it just fractured when the first rounds were put through this little puppy. Needless to say... minimum to mid-range loads only for this one from now on... just to be on the safe side.
 
For my .45 Kentucky I found 60 gr. of Triple seven or seventy grains of Goex 2F worked the best.Max loads,or near max loads risk premature wear on the gun,''within spec'',or not.They also tend to waste powder and reduce accuracy,IMHO.
 
Just beautifull pictures,by the way!Idid that same repair aft of the righthand lock of my Norinco Coachgun [there was some pressure on this one, the inletting allowed the wood too snug of a fit behind the rear of the lock] and now you really have to know where it is to see it,and even then,I'd have to point it out to you.It'll be fine.
 
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Agreed... I was winging it with my load selection last week and will definately be backing off on the amount of powder. And... yup... understand the benefit of sticking with an accurate load, instead of the most powerful one.

Thanks BHP Fan... appreciate the reply and comment on the pix.
 
You should see what Seneca and Cherokee stocks and barrels sell for on eBay. If you really want one, that's the first place to look. But get out your wallet and be ready to bid! (The gun auction sites also sell some of them too) ;)
 
Nice Piccys !

Hey , I know where that is , kinda . :)
Definately lots of Elk in Cle .
Looks like you had lots of fun . Guns break , fix-um and do it agian, thats life , don't let it get you down , I have broke a few too , and had a few break .
Thansk for sharing the pics, very cool .

Das Jaeger :)
 
arcticap said:
You should see what Seneca and Cherokee stocks and barrels sell for on eBay. If you really want one, that's the first place to look. But get out your wallet and be ready to bid! (The gun auction sites also sell some of them too) ;)
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Ohhhh.... I'm already watching a couple of Cherokee stocks on eBay... including a double set trigger set-up. I'm kinda trying to avoid going there if'n I can. Thanks for the heads up though.
 
Das Jaeger said:
Hey , I know where that is , kinda . :)
Definately lots of Elk in Cle .
Looks like you had lots of fun . Guns break , fix-um and do it agian, thats life , don't let it get you down , I have broke a few too , and had a few break .
Thansk for sharing the pics, very cool .

Das Jaeger :)
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I'm definately gonna haunt that area for blacktail season... may give it a whirl for one of the elk seasons too.

Oh yeah... that outing was the maiden voyage for both of those burners of the holy black. I've got seven more of them that are in need of being broken in. That Bison... it's gotta go back to the factory this week. They really fouled up the backstrap on that puppy. And... I haven't snagged up any ball yet for any of my .44's. I really enjoyed playin' with the two .45's though. And... my buddy is ready to acquire a holy black toy now too. He's hooked. I love it when a plan comes together !!!
 
Thats Awsome !

Very cool you addicted another human to the sport !
I have given away guns just to do that myself to people whom show interest .
Once they shoot one, they either love it or will never be back . I have known some folks that have sold entire collctions of Modern guns right after they try the Holy Black once , love it ! :)

Das Jaeger :)
 
Really,'Dog you're pretty skilled with wood,and it's an easy fix. I don't think you'll NEED another stock. My only tip is not to be in too big of a hurry to reassemble,or it may be a permanent fix...but you hardly need me, to tell you that.
It'll be just fine.
 
Das Jaeger said:
Very cool you addicted another human to the sport !
I have given away guns just to do that myself to people whom show interest .
Once they shoot one, they either love it or will never be back . I have known some folks that have sold entire collctions of Modern guns right after they try the Holy Black once , love it ! :)

Das Jaeger :)
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What'll really set the hook in my buddy is... having the ability to have a .44 BP and a .45LC in one gun with just a minor swap. I wanna get his undivided attention with that one. We load our own for the Super Black Hawk .44's we have... and have the dies for the .45LC for one of his buddy's toys.
 
BHP FAN said:
Really,'Dog you're pretty skilled with wood,and it's an easy fix. I don't think you'll NEED another stock. My only tip is not to be in too big of a hurry to reassemble,or it may be a permanent fix...but you hardly need me, to tell you that.
It'll be just fine.
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LOL I hear ya loud and clear !! The epoxy cures in 16hrs. at 25C (temp... and that's just for BCRider's benefit). I'm gonna give it at least a few days before it all goes back together. I don't know what T/C uses for finish on their stocks... but, a little sandpaper and some Tru-Oil is in this stock's future before it all goes back together.
 
Repairs are underway...

Last weekend the wood on the stock got warmed up really well and we mixed up some "Smooth-On EA-40" Epoxy. I opened up the cracks and my buddy buttered some in... the stock was relaxed and good amounts of epoxy oozed out of each side of each crack. I opened it up again and more epoxy got buttered in. The top/bottom got padded and a "C-Clamp" applied to tighten the joint... then the excess epoxy was wiped off and the repair cured for a day and a half.

Last night I sanded the stock down with some 400 grit and applied one coat of Tru-Oil to it and let it cure overnight. Today, after a couple more coats went on... I sat down and sanded the entire stock back down to the wood with 400 grit, 1500 grit and then 0000 wool. I tried to avoid burnishing the edges of sharp edges too much... but, I managed to do so a little here/there.

The "lock side" crack doesn't show, and the other side is barely visible at this point in time. Tomorrow... a couple/three more coats of Tru-Oil go on. It feels as smooth as glass at this point, even with it being buffed down like it is.

Otay Jaegermeister... you wanted pix... here they are. Now... where's the pix of YOUR day's efforts like I wanted to see? :neener:

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What crack? :D

Nice job there Ratdog. But from someone that can tiller and finish a bow I'd expect no less.

And I DO appreciate the 25C thing :D Currently as I type this it's 26.5C in the house and the only thing keeping me inside is the ceiling fan. In fact looking at the temp reminds me that it's time for the big honkin' window fan to be put into action to draw in some of the cooler outside air.
 
BCRider said:
What crack? :D

Nice job there Ratdog. But from someone that can tiller and finish a bow I'd expect no less.

And I DO appreciate the 25C thing :D Currently as I type this it's 26.5C in the house and the only thing keeping me inside is the ceiling fan. In fact looking at the temp reminds me that it's time for the big honkin' window fan to be put into action to draw in some of the cooler outside air.
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LOL Phunny you should mention that bow. I also added a few last coats of Tru-Oil on it... added the rug rest and leather piece for the side of the shelf. It's "ofisholee" done.

Indeed... I've got a fan inserted into the window opening right next to the couch. Sure is nice to have cool/fresh air on a night like tonight.
 
Looks

good Ratdogface-ness .
Its so strong it will break in front of the epoxy next time if it does . I can see why after looking at the grain pattern why it broke though . Good solid repair , hopefully it will stay together now. I wouldn't baby it either , run some 80's through it and see if ya can break it . Nothin worse than havin it out huntin and break on ya .
Oh hey , about the Pics from me of my days follys , they are in the mail , so hold your breath ok :D
Coat three on Kentucky . I let mine dry hard each coat , try it sometime you'll like it . :neener:

Das Jaeger :)
 
More work on the stock...

After taking the first coats of finish back down to the grain... Here's what it's lookin' like with the first two coats back on it again. I decided to put the hardware back on it to make sure things are fitting good still. Time to pull it all apart again and resume some buffing and additional coats.

And... unlike SOME around here (Alan)... shiny brass appeals to me... so, it got a little polish thrown at it while the Tru-Oil dries. It's definately going to be nicer than new when it's done.

Hmmm... still have that .50 Hawken kit that needs fixed (waiting in the wings). Already scrubbed the "brown" (gunk) off it... I'm still thinkin' it's gonna be "in the white" still. But... that's another adventure for another day. :neener:

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Lookin real good

Buckwheat ! :neener:
Thats what it should look like when your doing it right with Tru-Oil :D
Better than new , and then some man , good job , love that shiney Brass , on a Monkey . :D

Das Jaeger
 
Das Jaeger said:
Buckwheat ! :neener:
Thats what it should look like when your doing it right with Tru-Oil :D
Better than new , and then some man , good job , love that shiney Brass , on a Monkey . :D

Das Jaeger
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Well... this monkey likes his shiny brass. They make camo tape wrap for hunting days. :neener: You're right... this could become adicting (tinkering with one's toys like this).
 
That Tru-Oil sure builds up fast. Looks like a lot more coats than just two.

If you want to keep the brass shiney go find some Eagle brand car wax called Wet One. I've used it on polished aluminium bicycle parts that were used for commuting year round as well as on some brass paintball guns. The stuff works pretty good at keeping away corrosion. The brass can be handled a fair amount before it begins to tarnish from the finger oils. And the aluminium bicycle parts were good for a couple of seasons before I had to re-do the waxing. Oh... and it really makes the bicycle frames, motorcycle and truck paint look nice for not much work....
 
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