Paintball gun pepper spray
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RancidSumo
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seeker_two
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Same here. I'd rather use something like this to chase the neighbor's dog off my property than the Red Ryder BB gun I'm using now (I aim for the butt...)
Not great for self defense but I work in a prison and I can tell you they are VERY effective. The pepperballs hurt like the blazes. The WILL bruise badly and you will probably bleed. Couple that with the pepper and they work wonders. The inmates have learned about them (the hard way) and we rarely use them now. Looking down that .68 barrel is very intimidating and a hopper full of 100 balls can be very convincing. Usually three of four hits does wonders for the attitude.
Pax Jordana
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Alright Jon, cos you had to dig this up
I assume you've had training in their deployment and use..
How far away are you when using one of these things? Are you wearing a mask? How many rounds does it take to incapacitate someone, what can go wrong, how bad is maintenance?
I'm still thinking that HD or SD shooting distances put you in awfully close for a system like this.
I assume you've had training in their deployment and use..
How far away are you when using one of these things? Are you wearing a mask? How many rounds does it take to incapacitate someone, what can go wrong, how bad is maintenance?
I'm still thinking that HD or SD shooting distances put you in awfully close for a system like this.
being a paintball player myself. i wouldent bother. paintball guns are so inacurate its to dangerous shooting a someone further than 20 ft. as with the woman getting hit in the eye and killing her. thats the reason paintball players wear the masks. to keep that from hapening, not gonna say "hey can you put this mask on so i can shoot you ?" sorry. a can of bear repelant would work better for self deffence, it shoots further, and is just as effective as pepper spray.
paintball guns are defanetly not toys, and really should never be shot at someone not wearing protective gear (atleast a certified mask) marbles as someone mentioned could do a hell of a lot of damage. a paintball shot at 280ft per second at 10 feet will break skin quite nicely. a marble that close... it would come pretty close to breaking a bone depending where it hit.
paintball guns are defanetly not toys, and really should never be shot at someone not wearing protective gear (atleast a certified mask) marbles as someone mentioned could do a hell of a lot of damage. a paintball shot at 280ft per second at 10 feet will break skin quite nicely. a marble that close... it would come pretty close to breaking a bone depending where it hit.
The pistol is made by Tiberius Arms. One of their models is called the Tac 8, but the Blackbird(improved version marketed towards LE) would be the one to use for something like this. Cost is $315 for the gun + an extra mag and a leg holster, and good luck finding the pepper balls.
This SD solution seems somewhat mall ninja-ish to me, though. I think OC would be far more practical.
Cool gun though.
Not good for defensive use. I have had the opportunity to play with these before. The pepper balls themselves are not like paint balls. They are very thin walled plastic balls. When they impact this thin hard brittle plastic shatters and disperses the dry powder. The thin plastic can make sharp shards that is the cause for the bleeding or cuts jon_in_wv mentions.
However the powder itself is only going to be effective if it gets into the eyes or other place with moisture or is inhaled. Dry irritants are much slower acting because they penetrate the skin far worse. Since you are not shooting it at the face how likely it is to get powder into effective areas is left to chance. Even then the softer the point of impact the less reliably the powder will be dispersed from the shattering ball.
Effectively detering inmates with a pain deterent is different than being capable of saving your bacon from someone. For non lethal force a pepper spray is going to provide more benefits than this.
The main advantage to this is range. For riot control that outweighs it being less effective at close range. In most situations this is being employed the officer is not going to be in immediate danger. It is more for strong arming crowds or individuals and making them comply to commands with the incentive of pain, or providing a short term distraction so they can be subdued or arrested.
For individual non lethal defense sprays provide a tactical advantage of blinding the individual momentarily in addition to pain. Tasers can be more or less effective depending on the individual. Since self defense when warranted is usualy going to be up close, thier advantages outweigh any slight increase in range provided by balls of seasoning.
However the powder itself is only going to be effective if it gets into the eyes or other place with moisture or is inhaled. Dry irritants are much slower acting because they penetrate the skin far worse. Since you are not shooting it at the face how likely it is to get powder into effective areas is left to chance. Even then the softer the point of impact the less reliably the powder will be dispersed from the shattering ball.
Effectively detering inmates with a pain deterent is different than being capable of saving your bacon from someone. For non lethal force a pepper spray is going to provide more benefits than this.
The main advantage to this is range. For riot control that outweighs it being less effective at close range. In most situations this is being employed the officer is not going to be in immediate danger. It is more for strong arming crowds or individuals and making them comply to commands with the incentive of pain, or providing a short term distraction so they can be subdued or arrested.
For individual non lethal defense sprays provide a tactical advantage of blinding the individual momentarily in addition to pain. Tasers can be more or less effective depending on the individual. Since self defense when warranted is usualy going to be up close, thier advantages outweigh any slight increase in range provided by balls of seasoning.
hopkin
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Instead of a paintball, how about a teargas/pepper spray pistol? My mother found one of these when she moved house in Germany and it's fantastic,a little 'chiefs special' revolver that fires blanks containing pepperspray. It sends a small cloud of pepperspray about 20 feet and the fact you're 'shooting' at someone tends to loosen bowels.
fletcher
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^ I've never heard of that - sounds interesting. Do you recall the name of the manufacturer for those rounds?
I'd hate to have to clean the pepper out of my revolver, though
I'd hate to have to clean the pepper out of my revolver, though
I said it works great in a PRISON. For riot control, breaking up fights, etc... I wouldn't recommend it for SD or HD. Thats what guns are for.
Also you can't compare the pepperball round to a paintball. It has a much greater effect. Also the ones I have certified with have been quite accurate within the distance they are meant to be used. Outside of that distance you can lay down a large area of fire that would also deliver pepper to the target.
I'm not a paintball expert or even a pepperball expert, I'm simply stating the fact that it works and it works well. It has proven much more effective than many other gimmicky tools that have been contrived for our countries prisons.
And, Pax my carry or SD gun is an M&P 9C and my HD gun is a 12 gauge, not the pepperball gun. That will probably end up as a wall hanger.
Also you can't compare the pepperball round to a paintball. It has a much greater effect. Also the ones I have certified with have been quite accurate within the distance they are meant to be used. Outside of that distance you can lay down a large area of fire that would also deliver pepper to the target.
I'm not a paintball expert or even a pepperball expert, I'm simply stating the fact that it works and it works well. It has proven much more effective than many other gimmicky tools that have been contrived for our countries prisons.
And, Pax my carry or SD gun is an M&P 9C and my HD gun is a 12 gauge, not the pepperball gun. That will probably end up as a wall hanger.
Would be as effective as pepperspray, louder and more intimidating, but also subject to the same rules of using lethal force for a civilian. Shooting at someone with a firearm is shooting at someone with a firearm under the law. It does not matter if it is loaded with lead, rubber, rocksalt, or pepperspray. So by the time you can legaly use that the situation has progressed beyond non lethal force.
For law enforcement they already have good tools for short range use that would work better like pepperspray in fire extinguisher size containers, and tasers. Beyond the effective ranges of those devices the pepperspray fired at velocity would have dispersed too much to be reliable fired from a firearm. Now from a cannon...
I can see it now, the pepperspray cannon, blasts a gallon of spray instantly turned into a fine aerosol in a general direction. Would be great until a pebble got into it and turned it into a lethal device.
jahwarrior
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kimber makes a device called the lifeact: http://www.life-act.com/
sounds like something worth checking out.
sounds like something worth checking out.
hopkin
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Fletcher - I can't remember who made the rounds but it was Umarex, the German airgun mnaker, who made the gun that fired them. It might have been Umarex who made the rounds too, as I rememeber seeing some Umarex blanks for 'cleaning' the revolver. The gun was a blank firer, not a real pistol.
Zoogster, thanks for the info. I've mentioned these previously to friends in the US - well, California - and will make sure they check out the law before using them.
Zoogster, thanks for the info. I've mentioned these previously to friends in the US - well, California - and will make sure they check out the law before using them.
woodybrighton
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frozen paint balls are a spectacular way of way of getting people to go away
when a baton round would be too much.
certain little gits who liked to throw bricks at passing patrols in ulster from the top of an old factory didn't do it again
when a baton round would be too much.
certain little gits who liked to throw bricks at passing patrols in ulster from the top of an old factory didn't do it again
fletcher
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^^ Yep, looks like they make it:
http://www.umarex.com/index.php?id=products&L=en&L=en&encryptionKey=&haupt_id=2&unter_id=3&variante_id=4.1346&cHash=9c646a77f8
http://www.umarex.com/index.php?id=products&L=en&L=en&encryptionKey=&haupt_id=2&unter_id=3&variante_id=4.1346&cHash=9c646a77f8
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