Palmetto State Armory PSAK-47
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henschman
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I really like that new Magpul Zhukov furniture.
boricua9mm
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Taking into account all the troubles they've had assembling the AR15, why would we be so excited about them building an AK?
It's somewhat of a tragic tale, really. There's a huge knowledge base surrounding the AR, yet they still struggled big time in executing it. Actually building an AK requires real deal shop skills, far exceeding "torque this to XX in-lbs. and proceed to step 12."
Aside from chest-thumping pride, what do we gain from a US-made AK? We have practically zero experience making trunions, our barrels have traditionally sucked, and our labor force, in general, is just waiting until the next time they get to take a smoke break.
For that price, gimme a factory built Serbian gun...all day, every day.
No, I have no qualms about driving a Toyota.
It's somewhat of a tragic tale, really. There's a huge knowledge base surrounding the AR, yet they still struggled big time in executing it. Actually building an AK requires real deal shop skills, far exceeding "torque this to XX in-lbs. and proceed to step 12."
Aside from chest-thumping pride, what do we gain from a US-made AK? We have practically zero experience making trunions, our barrels have traditionally sucked, and our labor force, in general, is just waiting until the next time they get to take a smoke break.
For that price, gimme a factory built Serbian gun...all day, every day.
No, I have no qualms about driving a Toyota.
boricua9mm
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Mine haven't. The reports of numerous others have echoed mine.
crazysccrmd
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The vast majority of PSA stuff is good to go. When you sell in the quantities they do you will always have some stuff go bad. The satisfied people don't bring it up and the ones with problems bring it up all the time. If they want to build an AK they'll probably do it just fine.
WinThePennant
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All my PSA stuff has been perfect.
boricua9mm
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When you put a carbine length gas tube in a midlength rifle, then several years later, are hoodwinking people in regards to HPT/MPI bolts and assembling uppers with improperly torqued components, then you are either doing it out of spite or out of ignorance. Nobody intentionally craps where they eat, we'll chalk it up to ignorance.
Building an AK is not at all the same as screwing together an AR, which has long since proven troublesome for PSA. If you don't know the difference, you're better off playing the sidelines.
And vastly more have echoed mine. What's your point?
"The reports of numerous others" say that all .40SW Glocks are hand grenades in your hand waiting to go off at any moment. That's the price of success.
There seems to be nothing tragic about PSA's incredible success and growth. They make a good product (botched AR-10 launch notwithstanding) and have introduced a lot of people to well-made ARs in a price point once dominated by lesser rifles by Olympic, DPMS, and Bushmaster.
I wish them well on their AK endeavor, but I'll wait to see more concrete specs released and a number of user reviews before I'll drop any money on one.
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boricua9mm
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I'm sorry, but YOU are the one who thought it relevant to chime in with "Mine have been fine." Now you're response is an elementary "What's your point?"
PSA has put out lots of garbage. That is a fact. It has been documented here as well as numerous other boards.
I'd hardly commend them for "success and growth" during a widespread gun-buying panic. They'd have to be completely inept to screw that one up. Their AR10 endeavor is not to be excluded. There are pre-existing specs, albeit of a few varieties, and they still managed to screw it up.
At the end of the day, you need to ask yourself "What does PSA know about building AKs?"
Being a PSA apologist is fine and dandy, but fanboy enthusiasm doesn't magically give them the technical abilities to actually build an AK.
This is a disaster waiting to happen. Just like Mama said..."Don't come crying to me!"
CraigC
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Is that why they work so poorly on the AR? Use a bigger aperture, problem solved.
Can someone point me to the guys who don't send out lemons on occasion? If you don't want to deal with PSA the solution is simple. Buy another brand at higher cost. No one is going to offer high quality, exceptional service and bargain basement prices.
I won't respond to all this baiting other than to say one thing: I don't do piXXing contests.
I also don't resort to personal attacks like "fanboi" or "apologist" when other facts and opinions don't line up with my perceptions.
This is an open forum for discussion, and when you make dramatic statements about how terrible so-and-so's product is, you have to expect some counterpoints without letting your feelings be hurt.
I will say that PSA is far from my favorite AR manufacturer (I like BCM myself). But the simple fact is that they were growing quickly before the late 2012 panic, and they have continued growing even after than panic has long since died down (they are slated open a new manufacturing facility near the Columbia Airport in the near future). So many consumers must be happy with their products.
Also, we have no idea if PSA will be actually manufacturing these AKs or contracting them out to be built. So quality judgements are moot until there are production examples to review.
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Considering their have been many AK's cobbled together on rocks using rudimentary tools in third world countries, I'd say it is far from a precision piece of armament. If Century can do it and produce a working example, most anyone should be able to.
A large portion of our blue collar labor force does largely suck. Many drunks, dopers, and dropouts who care nothing about producing quality goods and taking pride in their work. Sad but true.
There sure is a lot of speculation on this AK venture, though. Why not just wait and see what hits the sales floor, then we'll see if it works?
With a 21 day average wait for my orders and customer service that is less than acceptable, I swore off PSA long ago.
BobTheTomato
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My PSA AR15 has been solid. Since the days of $300 AKs are gone, I would go to a made in USA PSA if I get another. I would like to see in in 223.
WinThePennant
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Really, the only real reason to buy a US made AK is to get around 922R compliance. Tapco has an excellent summation:
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/
biohazurd
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I like PSA a lot. Their AR parts are great. Ill be keeping my tabs on this one could be my next ak. I gotta get it in my hands first though....
The Russian embargo has created several all US made AK's, well done PSA.
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