Pardner Pump for home defense.

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My apologies to TASimpson, you asked some decent questions about the guns, and your thread got drug into the mud.

In my experience, as someone that actually owns and uses 2 of these guns, they are very good quality and work great. I successfully took a deer last year with my .20 gauge one, and my .12 gauge has held up just fine under a diet of entirely 00 buck and slugs without a hitch.

Enjoy your gun!!
 
Thanks to all who have posted and all of this interesting info. Actually I don't mind where this has gone and if I did not have to leave for work like ten minutes ago I would interject some of my families opinions right now (maybe tomorrow before work). We are american and have american friends who followed work from NC to Hong Kong and the subject of economy and communism has come up before. It is freedom to bear arms and freedom of speech that made this thread even possible and thats the most american thing of all. And to think that a Chinese made gun, poor economy price friendly arms, and the God given right to defend oneself lead to this discussion is fantastic. I have to go but please keep posting.
 
BCCl - nice rant. I had already guessed that you owned a PRC shotgun. I guess you have to justify it somehow. But, in reality, I could care less about what you do and buy. The only person I can control is me. So, I don't buy anything made in China as a matter of how I do things. Have I ever bought something made in China - yes. Will I ever again buy something made in China - yes. But, I will try hard NOT to do so.

If the product was made in Taiwan, I'd have already bought one. BTW, I love the Chinese people. Three of my kids are married into that race and society. I have several euroasian grandkids that I love dearly. And, it pains me that so many Chinese people are slaves in China. To me, anyone who lives in a Communist country by definition is a slave; they are slaves of the state. And, anyone who can't see the real issue here is blind. Taking advantage of low cost slave labor eventually ends with the consumer. I don't want to contribute to that system in any way. Perhaps someday that may mean that I won't buy any guns.
 
I don't have to justify a thing to you Bill, I'm the only one of us that's actually being honest. You rely on Chinese made products every moment of your life, whether you have the intellectual capacity to know it, or the intellectual integrity to admit it. Everything you said about slave labor in China, applies equally to all the products you buy, now and in the future, so throwing out the things you said to me and others on here was nothing more than hypocrisy.

Refusing to buy Chinese made products, will not help those workers in China one bit, but increasing trade and Capitalist concepts already has and will continue to. Both China and India have seen great economic expansion, by relaxing government controls and allowing more free market ideas, not by slave labor. We want them to continue that don't we?
 
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I got one a while back, just so I could see how well put together they are and if parts/accessories from 870s would fit. I've been horsing it around some in intervening weeks, and so far so good.
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So parts are fitting OK?

What parts have you tried (or not tried)?
 
BCCL - I don't expect you to justify anything. Enjoy your PCR pump shotgun. I don't own any Chinese guns myself. I don't own any Chinese knives either. And, to my knowledge, I don't own any Chinese JUNK that my life relies on. The only thing that you've been honest about is that you contribute to the ongoing slave labor situation in China through your purchase of the JUNK the commies sell that they force their slaves to make. Good luck with your ongoing self-deceit.

Hey Pal, I've got an idea. Why not let the thread proceed as the OP intended? I've had my say.
 
The Pardners and the Hawks are catching on and folks are buying them and are happy. Pretty soon, the naysayers will be singing in a hurricane ,if they aren't already doing so.:D

Hijacking a thread is discourteous to those trying to enjoy a discussion of what ever firearm is the topic to make a political point. :banghead:
 
I love reading about people bashing Pardner Pumps. It reminds me of the gun snobs from the range. Let me put it this way:

I bought this for $550
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And this for $179
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The latter is the better gun....hands down. They were made a year apart. I don't care where it was made, lets be honest, the US makes some crap too.
 
Like I said Bill, your purchasing and use of Chinese computers does the same thing you accuse others of doing, so your nothing more than a flat out hypocrite.

If you can convince yourself otherwise, then self-deceit is something you seem to have personal experience with.
 
hunterdad"love that thumbhole stock on that gun,thats a nice pair of shotguns,o yeah,i collect knives and 90% of them are chinese,im sorry to say i cant afford a high dollar american made knife.but i have a few.
 
my husband and i recently bought the same shotgun last weekend. when we got home naturally we played around with it. the guy that sold it to us at academy said it held 5 shells but we could only get 2 in so we looked it up online and found one website that said it isnt normal and should hold 5. so my husband took it apart and instantly 2 long pieces fell out when he pulled the trigger part out. looked up on youtube a disassembly video and that didnt happen to every person we watched. then my husband got it back together after trying for 2 hours because those two metal parts wouldnt stay....one goes on each side in a track sort of thing of the trigger part...and now its stuck and we cant put the rest of the shotgun back together...anyone have this happen or do we just have bad luck??
 
instantly 2 long pieces fell out when he pulled the trigger part out.
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It sounds like the shell latches fell out. They will need to be restaked. I had one Pardner Protector that I was doing for a customer that the shell latch fell out. I restaked the latch and it was good to go.



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My wife and I were shopping for shotguns to start shooting trap. We handled Mossbergs, Remingtons, & H&R/NEF's. Believe it or not, the NEF Pardner Pump with the ventilated rib, walnut furniture, & pakerized finish had the best finish. The Remington 870 Express had laminated furniture and the Mossbergs had hardwood and synthetic. We picked up the H&R/NEF, btw.

Also, do y'all know that Marlin, H&R, NEF, & Remington are the same dang AMERICAN company??? I would rather have my money go to an American company any day.
 
my husband and i recently bought the same shotgun last weekend. when we got home naturally we played around with it. the guy that sold it to us at academy said it held 5 shells but we could only get 2 in so we looked it up online and found one website that said it isnt normal and should hold 5. so my husband took it apart and instantly 2 long pieces fell out when he pulled the trigger part out. looked up on youtube a disassembly video and that didnt happen to every person we watched. then my husband got it back together after trying for 2 hours because those two metal parts wouldnt stay....one goes on each side in a track sort of thing of the trigger part...and now its stuck and we cant put the rest of the shotgun back together...anyone have this happen or do we just have bad luck??
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You should ALWAYS read the owners manual before even taking the gun out of the box. I can't stress that enough. It really is too hard to explain in writing how to get the gun back together. The reason you could only get 2 shells in the tube is because the gun come with a "plug" put in the magazine which is a must for hunting migratory waterfowl. If you take the barrel nut off, take a flat head screw driver and press the end cap down and twist, the end cap will come out as will the spring followed by the plug then the follower. Take thee plug out and reverse the procedure. It shows you how to do it in the owners manual. And of course, make sure the gun is unloaded!

Good luck
 
well my husband tried to put it back together and he got the trigger assembly back in but now its stuck and wont come out?? should we just send it in to the manufactuar?
 
No. Take it back to Academy and have them put it back together for you. They might charge you a couple bucks. Pretty unnecessary to send it back.
 
well my husband tried to put it back together and he got the trigger assembly back in but now its stuck and wont come out?? should we just send it in to the manufactuar?
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What's the joke about men and instruction books?;)

As Hunterdad said, take it back to Academy.

For future reference, they printed stuff in that little instruction manual for a reason. It's not just to pad the inside of the box.
In case you lost it, here is the link:

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The good news to come out of all of this is that if you've gotten the trigger mechanism out, you can give the gun a good thorough cleaning!
 
well......

the funny part is i called academy and they said the only thing they can do is send it back to the manufactuer....sooo. :fire:
 
I wish Remington had half of the Buy Amer-kin'! loyalty that some posters here have. After all, Remington does own the company that owns the company that makes these dirty Chinese junk guns.


I LOVE my Protector. It's like buying a Rem 870 for $100 less AND you don't have to worry about a bad extractor!

If I had to do it over again I'd probably go with a Hawk 982 because it's practically the same gun as the Protector, for the same low price, with free Ghost Ring Sights.

All parts except barrels and mag extensions are interchangeable between a Protector and a Rem 870 (I have a Knoxx stock and forend on mine that was made for an 870 and it fits like a glove). Which isn't a bad thing at all considering you can buy new barrels for Pardners for about 1/2 the price you can for a Rem and MAX100 who hangs around these forums custom makes mag extensions for these. I don't have one myself but everyone that does says they work perfect.
 
the funny part is i called academy and they said the only thing they can do is send it back to the manufactuer....sooo.
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Thats a shame. I find it hard to believe that no one at Academy can put an 870 copy back together. They are so easy to assemble if you know what you are doing. Do you have a Gander Mountain, Bass Pro or gunsmith in the area? If so, take it to them and they should do it.
 
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