Pardner Pump for home defense.

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Er, I wouldn't go that far... Both are good shotguns. The Remi has a much longer history and is proven.

What I didn't understand was why the Remington 870 Express had a laminated (ie. particle board) stock and forend while the NEF had WALNUT and cost $100 less?! I mean, marketing 101 - don't cannibalize your sales!

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870s suck ass, and Pardners are awesome. That's the gist of this thread if you didn't know any better.
 
I've got both a Pardner Pump Protector and a Remington 87 Wingmaster.
I kinda like them both.
The 870 is my good pheasant hunting gun and my Pardner is my "throw it on the 4 wheeler and head for the hills and don't care if it gets dirty or scratched" gun.
Each has a different purpose to me.
 
There are videos on youtube to aid you in reassembling your Pardner asit it like the 870 and it is not difficult to do. In fact it's so easy that it is hard!

The Pardner Pump should be field stripped as with any new shotgun and cleaned of all the preservative.

I did both my Pardners like this and they were cleaned and niclely lubed.

I do this with any new OR used aquisition as it just make good sense.:)

The Pardner Pump has a matte type parkerizing/bluing and I applied liberal coats of Breakfree on the overall exterior of the gun and it seems to work into the finish.

Way better that the rustomatic Express's my brother in law and I had a while back.
 
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Like I said Bill, your purchasing and use of Chinese computers does the same thing you accuse others of doing...
I don't buy Chinese computers? Where did you come up with that? I've been doing computers since you were wet behind the ears and one of my last jobs was as a Dell Technician. I know some parts come from Taiwan. But, Taiwan isn't China!

I hope that every time you pick up one of your two PRC pumps you'll remember that YOU support the communist Chinese state that produced it. So, why don't you just get off it now. Your rants are getting tiresome.

It's a hell of a deal when a person can't express his/her ideas without some half wit calling you a hypocrite.
 
It seems as though, when folks bring up the Pardner Pump, that there is an attempt to turn the threads into a forum for political rants. What does it serve to do other than cause division among us here in the forums?

The Chinese goods coming into the US will keep coming and will do so under free trade pacts made by our elected officials.

Now,the OP was inquiring about the Pardner pump protector and did so without looking for an argument.

It did not take long for the argument to rear its head and now this thread is going in the same direction as other threads regarding the NEF and Hawk
pump guns.

"It's a hell of a deal when a person can't express his/her ideas without some half wit calling you a hypocrite."

Bill, those are your words and the last time I checked, there was no double standard on freedom of what one wants to buy or sharing their joy regarding a purchase of a firearm of their choice.

Let's be civil.
 
well,my wife brought me home some kind of chinese fire noodles,little hot shrimp,from a chinese restraunt, for supper instead of american food im used too,anyway let me tell you,hot-hot,afteraffects,killing me,i dont know what they cook with, but goodness,just thought id lighten the mood.
 
I had Korean today! I got some sushi (Japanese of course!) Korean potato noodles, some kimchi and whiting soup.:)

The whiting soup is a fish soup and when I stirred it there was a whole cooked fish head in the bowl!:eek:

Oh well, I did what any brave culinary crusader would do, I dug in!

It was tasty and no I did not eat the eyeballs! LOL!

My daughter and I got a good laugh out of that and had an enjoyable lunch together.:D
 
One thing to say about this gun is that if your ammo ever runs dry, you have one hell of a club in your hand to beat the stuffing out of anyone invading your house. These guns are sturdy and heavy and seem like they could survive a tank rolling over them. They function great and eat ammo well. For the price you got a good buy.
 
As I mentioned earlier, I had the 12 Ga. version in the Pardner pump and it was a hoss gun.

I still have my 20ga. Compact and I simply love the gun.

I did buy American today for all of those who've opined to do so on this thread.

I picked up a beautiful Marlin Model 50 bolt gun, 28" barrel with front bead sight and some of the prettiest walnut I have seen on a gun like this.

It was sitting in a rack at Winfree's Firarms bere in Grafton,VA.

120 bucks out the door.

I had no intention of buying a gun but it spoke to me and I got it.

It looks real nice next to my little Pardner Compact as the Compact has pretty walnut in it as well.:)

I'll probably use the Marlin to still hunt with or hunt out of a tree stand.

I don't hunt with dogs so it should be dandy for what I will do with it.:D
 
Big Bill said:
It's a hell of a deal when a person can't express his/her ideas without some half wit calling you a hypocrite.

Bill, go back and look at how you responded to my question about whether there was any evidence of "slave labor" being used for these guns.

Big Bill said:
So, let me see if I understand you. It is OK to buy a PRC shotgun IF it cannot be proved that it was made by slave labor? What convoluted logic do you live by?

That was your response to a simple question. So don't come playing the victim now, you went on the attack when you start questioning other peoples morals and values with your biblical quotes and accusations of supporting slave labor, that you still haven't proven.

Every time you use the internet, you are using computer equipment made in China, even if it isn't your personal PC, you are still completely dependent on Chinese electronics so yes, you are using them (notice I said purchase and use).

Next time someone asks a simple question, maybe you should discuss it with them in the manner you want them to talk with you, and you might not get your attitude back?
 
I have/have had (several) Mossy 500's, (quite a few) Rem 870's and a (one) Pardner Protector. The Protector is a solid shotgun at a very good price.

And it seems that there can never, EVER be an adult discussion about these shotguns without said discussion ending up on politics like this one has.
 
Although Taiwan is not directly ruled by the PRC, the PRC still claims that it is part of it, as shown here, about halfway down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan.
So your point is...what exactly? Taiwan is a democratic country that broke away from the PRC decades ago. The PRC can claim all it wants, but Taiwan is not a part of the Mainland China.
 
I have one of these shotguns and I am happy with it the action is smooth and recoil is not bad. I payed $187 OTD, it is exactly like yours, 5+1 synthetic.

It was my HD gun until a couple days ago when I got a Saiga-12, now it is my mom's HD gun.
 
Next time someone asks a simple question, maybe you should discuss it with them in the manner you want them to talk with you, and you might not get your attitude back?
I see what your are saying. I guess I was off my meds that day. I'm sorry - I hope you can forgive me for offending you. I love the Chinese people and am very touchy about their plight. I just HATE to see them used by the communists in China. I'm glad my 6 grandchildren are back over here from Taiwan for this past four years - even though Taiwan isn't a communist state (yet), the situation there is still very tense nonetheless. I just don't personally want to do anything that might make things worse for both them and us also. Sometimes, I just get too wound up. Sorry! I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
 
No problem Bill, take care Partner!

6 grandkids? Bet that's a fun handful!!! It's all I can do to keep up with my just the 3 of my great nieces and nephew!!!
 
I try to recommend this gun over the mossy maverick. To me it's better quality for the same price. Also the maverick has way thinner steel so the recoil is pretty harsh comparatively.
 
BCCL - they're just six of thirty six (so far), and I love them all dearly. Thanks for the good discussion. You made me think outside my own little box. :)
 
36 six grandkids??? Holy Mackerel!!!

Now there's a reason to buy guns.."Honey, I have to have one to leave to each grandkid"... :)
 
Ok.....where do I start? First of all, wow!!! When it comes to shotgun owners there is a lot of enthusiasm out there. When I started this I had no clue the Pardner Pump/Chinese made guns were such a hotbed of opinion or had such a following.

This is the rundown so far; its a clone of the Rem 870, its reliable, I got it at a fair price used, parts are interchangeable with the 870, its Chinese made by Hawk industries to NEF specs, and that NEF, Marlin, H&R, and Remington are all owned by the same American company. Huff..Huff..Breath..Keep typing...Which if you are one of those stimulated by political morality raises the question of who is truly responsible for all of this controversy? The consumer for buying, big industries for selling, or our elected government for allowing the outsourcing to begin with? That aside I would like to note some other things that came out of this so far.

There are other affordable clones out there such as the Savage/Stevens 350 which is a clone of the Ithaca 37. YouTube can be an excellent source of additional help, and lets face it, a picture does say a thousand words. Some good pictures were posted, thanks Hunterdad. Thanks to 19-3 Ben for the link to the manual, I needed that because I bought it used. AMD0709, I hope that you get your shotgun working and as we found out together Max100 knows a lot about these guns. Cornhusker77, there is something almost divine in the peace that can be found in a forest trail, some mud, an ATV, and a firearm to do some plinking(or even better hunting).

BigBill and BCCL....... Hummmm....... If Idaho and Illinois did not face each other in civil war they sure did now. And by God if you did not shake hands, make up, and talk about grandkids in the end. How poignant (I hope thats spelled right), is not our children's children the true benefactor of practicing our rights. Ill sum up Recklesscarolina and Almond27 in saying I agree that a gun is better than no gun and the bad guy will never know the difference between an expensive gun and a inexpensive one if you "SQUEEZE" the trigger and it goes "BANG".

The difference in gun ownership is clearly individual and ultimately what matters is defending yourself and your loved ones. If you can afford to buy one gun over the other because of you deepest convictions, then be happy in doing so. If saving some much needed cash in times of hardship is your goal, then be happy in doing so. So, in answer to the very first post. Could I have done a simple search for info and learned the same things? Yes. But, would it have been as dynamic? No. Would it have had the same human connection to other like minded people? No.

I have been so entertained and educated by this post. Thanks to all, and if you feel like doing so please keep it up.
 
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TASimpson, we're all "gun folks", in the end that will always bring us together more than pull us apart! :)
 
I think there is something a bit off with that stock. And there is no copying for a 37, my opinion. I can pick up a real 37 in a pawn shop today cheaper than that.
 
So when did Savage bring this line out? Its a damn goodlooking copy of the Model 37.....and a dang good price to boot. Anybody seen one in their gunshop yet?

They are new this year. They aren't available yet but should be in a few months.


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