Pardner Pump
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Fred Fuller
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I'd be surprised if you can get two more in an extension that doesn't protrude past the muzzle... one more shouldn't be hard to find, from Wilson etc., but two might be hard to do.
The gun comes with a 5 round magazine plus one in the chamber, a better bet than worrying about cramming in more rounds to begin with would be to learn to load the magazine as you shoot, when circumstances permit. Shotgun Yoda Louis Awerbuck sez, "No magazine is ever big enough," and Clint Smith sez, "We still gotta practice loadin' 'em."
The gun comes with a 5 round magazine plus one in the chamber, a better bet than worrying about cramming in more rounds to begin with would be to learn to load the magazine as you shoot, when circumstances permit. Shotgun Yoda Louis Awerbuck sez, "No magazine is ever big enough," and Clint Smith sez, "We still gotta practice loadin' 'em."
Not sure where but I found one, I think I found it on some web site dedicated to the pardner. anyway I had to use my dremel to grind off the tabs in the magazine tube to make it work, but it works. You will have a 7 shot, and the extension comes to the end of the barrell. Its 7 shots of 2 3/4 not 3", I will look through my box o gun junk and see if I can find out where I got it, but it is out there
Tom
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fatcat4620
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I have searched everywhere and only found guidelines on how to make one yourself. I found a vang comp +1 for cheap at a gunshow and stopped looking. A guy who went by the name MAX100 was making them but he burned some people and fell of the face of the earth.
Fred Fuller
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If behind adequate cover... (What? You're standing out in the open, reloading?)
The key to reloading on the fly is to learn to do it BY FEEL, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE GUN. Keep your eyes downrange, looking for threats.
Keep the butt of your shotgun shouldered, a firm grip on the pistol grip with your firing hand. Reach for spare ammo with your support hand, and let the muzzle droop about half way down or so, or even all the way down to a sort of 'low ready,' with the butt still firmly on your shoulder, until some of the weight comes off your firing hand and the gun is easier to hold up. Experiment till you find a spot that works for you.
Retrieve a shell from your spare ammo supply. Orient the shell in your support hand with the brass toward your little finger and the crimp toward your pointing finger, supporting the shell on your other two fingers. With your trigger finger in proper register (extended straight along the side of the receiver, outside the trigger guard, as it should be when you are not actually shooting the gun) you have a biological marker in place to guide your support hand to the proper place on the shotgun. Find your trigger finger with the little finger of your support hand that is holding the shell. The shell should be in position to begin getting the crimp of the shell into the loading port by simply pressing it up into the receiver.
The front of the trigger guard on the Pardner is a little more angular than the trigger guard on an 870, but it still serves as a guide ramp into the loading port. Push the shell forward into the loading port until you can reverse your thumb up to the brass end of the shell, and push the shell all the way into the magazine. If the lifter tries to pinch your thumb in the loading process, just kink your thumb knuckle up and hold the lifter out of the way till the shell is loaded securely in the magazine.
Keep in mind that it is possible to load a shell backward into a tubular shotgun magazine - you want to be sure you have the shell in the proper orientation in your hand when you commence to load it. If this happens in a fight, I hope you're carrying a sidearm, because you'll have as thorough a jam as it's possible to have. It's going to take disassembling the magazine to clear this one, it's going to have to come out of the front of the tube. On working 870s without magazine extensions, I usually leave the steel magazine spring retainer out of the magazine tube so I can clear the magazine tube just by removing the magazine cap and keeping up with the spring. The Pardner has an Express style magazine spring retainer that also serves to retain the magazine cap, and those need to be left in place IMHO. Same as on newer Express 870s with magazine tube dimples.
More commonly, it is easy to get the shell partway into the magazine without it catching on the shell stops, and either let it feed back out onto the ground (embarrassing but otherwise not too bad a thing) or worse, get it far enough into the magazine so the lifter comes back down before the shell tries its escape, and the gun is tied up with a shell stuck between the lifter and the bottom of the closed bolt. That's not good, if it happens to you on the range. If it happens in the middle of a gunfight, it will likely increase your already elevated nervous tension by a considerable amount. (That's putting it nicely...)
The newer 870s have a tabbed lifter and a modified bolt/slide that lets this sort of jam be cleared more easily. Pardners are not so equipped. I have not yet deliberately manufactured a jam like this in a Pardner, but I'd approach clearing it the same way as on an older 870 - make sure your safety is on, drop to one knee, keep the muzzle pointed up in a safe direction, press and hold the action release with your firing hand and smartly impact the ground with the butt of the shotgun while pulling back on the forearm. That should clear the jam. If not, rinse and repeat...
This is admittedly hard on the gun. Getting shot while looking quizzically at a jammed shotgun is even harder on the gunowner however.
Best bet? Push the shell far enough past the shell latches so the shell doesn't back out.
Consider investing in a copy of Louis Awerbuck's video at http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Combat_Shotgun/Shoulder_Weapons if you want to see this and more demonstrated on the small screen. Better yet, take a look at http://www.yfainc.com/schedule.html and consider taking the class from the man himself.
There are other ways of loading in the field, some involve putting the stock on top of your shoulder or holding it in the armpit, supporting the front of the gun on cover or with the support hand, and loading with the firing hand. Just find a method that works for you and practice practice practice.
And if you plan on practicing off the range, always use dummy shells (no live primer, no powder) to do it. If you don't reload or don't have a friend who reloads so you can make up your own dummies, get a box of action proving dummies from Brownells to practice with- http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31872/Product/SHOTGUN-DUMMIES
Stay Safe,
lpl
The key to reloading on the fly is to learn to do it BY FEEL, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE GUN. Keep your eyes downrange, looking for threats.
Keep the butt of your shotgun shouldered, a firm grip on the pistol grip with your firing hand. Reach for spare ammo with your support hand, and let the muzzle droop about half way down or so, or even all the way down to a sort of 'low ready,' with the butt still firmly on your shoulder, until some of the weight comes off your firing hand and the gun is easier to hold up. Experiment till you find a spot that works for you.
Retrieve a shell from your spare ammo supply. Orient the shell in your support hand with the brass toward your little finger and the crimp toward your pointing finger, supporting the shell on your other two fingers. With your trigger finger in proper register (extended straight along the side of the receiver, outside the trigger guard, as it should be when you are not actually shooting the gun) you have a biological marker in place to guide your support hand to the proper place on the shotgun. Find your trigger finger with the little finger of your support hand that is holding the shell. The shell should be in position to begin getting the crimp of the shell into the loading port by simply pressing it up into the receiver.
The front of the trigger guard on the Pardner is a little more angular than the trigger guard on an 870, but it still serves as a guide ramp into the loading port. Push the shell forward into the loading port until you can reverse your thumb up to the brass end of the shell, and push the shell all the way into the magazine. If the lifter tries to pinch your thumb in the loading process, just kink your thumb knuckle up and hold the lifter out of the way till the shell is loaded securely in the magazine.
Keep in mind that it is possible to load a shell backward into a tubular shotgun magazine - you want to be sure you have the shell in the proper orientation in your hand when you commence to load it. If this happens in a fight, I hope you're carrying a sidearm, because you'll have as thorough a jam as it's possible to have. It's going to take disassembling the magazine to clear this one, it's going to have to come out of the front of the tube. On working 870s without magazine extensions, I usually leave the steel magazine spring retainer out of the magazine tube so I can clear the magazine tube just by removing the magazine cap and keeping up with the spring. The Pardner has an Express style magazine spring retainer that also serves to retain the magazine cap, and those need to be left in place IMHO. Same as on newer Express 870s with magazine tube dimples.
More commonly, it is easy to get the shell partway into the magazine without it catching on the shell stops, and either let it feed back out onto the ground (embarrassing but otherwise not too bad a thing) or worse, get it far enough into the magazine so the lifter comes back down before the shell tries its escape, and the gun is tied up with a shell stuck between the lifter and the bottom of the closed bolt. That's not good, if it happens to you on the range. If it happens in the middle of a gunfight, it will likely increase your already elevated nervous tension by a considerable amount. (That's putting it nicely...)
The newer 870s have a tabbed lifter and a modified bolt/slide that lets this sort of jam be cleared more easily. Pardners are not so equipped. I have not yet deliberately manufactured a jam like this in a Pardner, but I'd approach clearing it the same way as on an older 870 - make sure your safety is on, drop to one knee, keep the muzzle pointed up in a safe direction, press and hold the action release with your firing hand and smartly impact the ground with the butt of the shotgun while pulling back on the forearm. That should clear the jam. If not, rinse and repeat...
This is admittedly hard on the gun. Getting shot while looking quizzically at a jammed shotgun is even harder on the gunowner however.
Best bet? Push the shell far enough past the shell latches so the shell doesn't back out.
Consider investing in a copy of Louis Awerbuck's video at http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Combat_Shotgun/Shoulder_Weapons if you want to see this and more demonstrated on the small screen. Better yet, take a look at http://www.yfainc.com/schedule.html and consider taking the class from the man himself.
There are other ways of loading in the field, some involve putting the stock on top of your shoulder or holding it in the armpit, supporting the front of the gun on cover or with the support hand, and loading with the firing hand. Just find a method that works for you and practice practice practice.
And if you plan on practicing off the range, always use dummy shells (no live primer, no powder) to do it. If you don't reload or don't have a friend who reloads so you can make up your own dummies, get a box of action proving dummies from Brownells to practice with- http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31872/Product/SHOTGUN-DUMMIES
Stay Safe,
lpl
fatcat4620
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Sweet jesus! I just emailed them on a price quote.
BlunderbussTech
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Blunderbuss Technologies magazine extension tube
Hi all I make a +2 magazine extension tube for the Pardner Pump Protector and the IAC Hawk as well
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Hi all I make a +2 magazine extension tube for the Pardner Pump Protector and the IAC Hawk as well
www.blunderbusstech.com
Virginian
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I'm guessing he found one in 5 years.
Sheepdog1968
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I joined a trap league so I could practice loading. Shoot one, load one. It has really helped me plus it helps me get out of the house and shoot weekly and not put it off.
BlunderbussTech
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LOL Virginian.....I guess he did.......I always seem to be a day late and a dollar short 
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