Park Rangers shoot puppy between the eyes,puppy lives!

[obxned]

Must be another care of a vicious, bloodthirsty puppy!

They are no poorly trained, arrogant, overbearing idiots working for the state of California.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

she does dog rescue?

she must be a lil off . says the guy with 13 dogs and 9 cats. don't know here but my own observation of us recue types is we are a few fries shy of a happy meal sometimes. ask my neighbors

 

[txgolfer45]

joab said

"It could also be that Labs are borderline stupid until they are about two years old and mixing that with a dog that is known for stubbornness and tenacity is just an incident waiting to happen"

You clearly know almost nothing about labrador retrievers based upon your statement above. Labs are one of the easiest breeds to train. I own one and he has been well mannered since a pup. He was solid on basics by 6 months and went into retreiver training after that. I belong to a retriever club and interact with many young dogs. They are eager to learn and learn quickly. I personally know of one lab pup that earned her master hunter title at 19 months. You don't achieve that by being borderline stupid!

 

[publius]

I've only known one Lab since he was a pup, and I'm not so sure about his bloodline. Basically a yellow lab from a puppy mill, and he is the smartest dog I have ever known, and has been that way since he was a pup. When he could still fit in a shoe box, I taught him quickly and easily that he was not to come in my sliding doors, even if they were open. He's about 7 or 8 now, overweight and mellow, but there were a few years there when he was a real handful at times. A very high energy pup, requiring lots of attention, but far from stupid.

 

[TCB in TN]

As a State Park Ranger, the Ranger involved in this incident may not have been authorized by his supervisor to grant media interviews - one of the disadvantages of wearing a uniform, sometimes.

I understand that, the point still stands though. From a departmental stand point, IF there was evidence to clear the PR in question the department would usually be very forth coming in displaying it for all to see. The lack of such a display makes me question whether there is any evidence of an attack.

 

[joab]

You clearly know almost nothing about Labrador retrievers based upon your statement above.

You clearly like to make assumptions about people you know nothing about and clearly have a reading comprehension deficiency.
I have been around those dogs my whole life, look back on the comment about my father and uncle.
My mother owns one now . She was going to get rid of her because she showed no signs of even average intelligence I kept telling her to wait, somewhere between 18 months and two years she'll turn into a dog. Now she is one of the best dogs mom has ever had
My opinion id bolstered by a professional dog trainer friend, that has the same opinion of Dobermans also, who has been training all manner of dogs for over thirty years

Just because you have had one dog that seems intelligent to you does not mean that I clearly do not know what I am talking about, it could just mean that you have lower expectations of what you consider smart

The many young Labs that I have known display the same intelligence level of Irish Setters which generally lack the intelligence necessary to find the end of a leash

 

[txgolfer45]

Joab,

I do know what I'm talking about and have worked with top notch retriever trainers who work with labs from age 6 months on up. What these labs can do takes intelligence on their part and on the trainer's part.

Your comments run contrary to my experiences and the experiences of many other lab owners and pro trainers. I belong to a retriever club and interact with pro and very experienced trainers as well as newbies. I can't comment on backyard bred or puppy mill labs. Labs from a good pedigree are intelligent. But, it takes an owner and/or trainer to put the time in to develop that dog's skills and manners. Ignore the dog (really any dog) and you will get an ill mannered dog.

I stand by my original comments. The lab part of a lab/pit mix is generally not going to be the problem in that gene pool.

 

[Elza]

One thing to keep in mind regarding canines: the smarter they are the harder they are to train. One of average intelligence is far easier to train than one that is highly intelligent. They have a very bad habit of being pig-headed and resist training mightily. I have often heard an owner claim that their animal is “too stupid to learn anything”. Often it is the owner that is too stupid to recognize the intelligence of the animal with which they are dealing! They fail to recognize stubborn and automatically assume stupidity. Training a canine of high intelligence can be a hair pulling experience to say the least.

 

[Snowdiver]

Labs are one of my favorite breeds, easily trained and for the most part harmless. She broke two laws for sure and I guess we can speculate as to what happened with the "biting", but we'll have to wait for the court decision.

 

[joab]

Your comments run contrary to my experiences and the experiences of many other lab owners and pro trainers.

And your comments run contrary to my experience and the experiences of the many Lab owners and pro trainers that I know, Now what?

I stand by my original comments. The lab part of a lab/pit mix is generally not going to be the problem in that gene pool.

Stand by that opinion all you want and while you're doing that show me where I said that the Lab part was the problem part.
Post #69 if it helps you It takes a little reading comprehension , but not much.

I have always maintained that that mixture is the problem not either breed individually.

 

[txgolfer45]

Joab,

Read your entire post. "Borderline stupid until they are around 2 yrs old" ring a bell? Perhaps it isn't the lab.......but the trainer!

 

[Furncliff]

Fact: Government Agent shoots dog.

In Dispute: Dog biting said agent.

Current focus of this thread: Lab (lab mixes) are stupid.


My wife has raised labs for 35 years. From what I've seen, the stupid ones run away. I don't think this pup qualifies as stupid. The protective ones will bite when their human companion is threatened. This is a trait that I admire. If she's a single women living alone in SF a protective dog is a good thing.

Pretty good shot by the G man. Perhaps he can come on THR and give us some lessons on close quarter combat with an apex predator.

 

[joab]

Read your entire post. "Borderline stupid until they are around 2 yrs old" ring a bell? Perhaps it isn't the lab.......but the trainer!

Yeah and did you see the part about the Pit being stubborn and tenacious

Now as I asked before
Please show me where I put the blame on the Lab part of the mix

I'll help one more time, but sooner or later you're going to have to learn to read on your own

I have always maintained that that mixture is the problem not either breed individually.

Now if there is something in that simple statement that is beyond your comprehension let me know
You're not allowed to take bits and pieces of a statement and twist them to your argument

Just like intelligent people do not assume that some one clearly has no experience with a subject if they disagree with you on that subject
But I can see how someone with that mentality would think a stupid dog was intelligent
.

Perhaps it isn't the lab.......but the trainer!

That would almost be a good burn if not for the fact that I have never stated that I have ever trained a Lab
RIF, my friend RIF
If you're not even going to try I'm not going to play

 

[Flyboy]

Sheesh. I'm sorry I resurrected the thread. Is there any chance we can keep it to the relevant question of "what did the court actually decide," rather than speculating on the outcome based on a match of "your dog is dumber than mine?"

 

[txgolfer45]

Joab,

Never mind, you just don't get it and probably never will. I read just fine thank you.

 

[gunsmith]

wow I was surprised and pleased my old thread was still around

my old lab/rottie mix was real smart, he had me well trained

any way,

 

[joab]

Never mind, you just don't get it and probably never will. I read just fine thank you.

Then show me where I sadi that Labs were the reason for the bad mix

Or be a man and admit that you were wrong

And what exactly is it I don't get
That you think Labs are smart and I think Lab puppies are dumb, I think we all get it

The failure to get it is on your part
Just because someone has a different opinion than you do does not mean that they "clearly have no experience" on the subject.
Wheter that subject be the stupidity of certain breeds as puppies are the suitability for snubs as long range target pistols
Most people grow out of that simplistic way of thinking by jr. high school

 

[Pepper46]

Enough

Put this to bed, no one cares about how smart or how dumb your dog is no matter what kind it is, or how old it is, whether you are trainer with 35 years or someone who picked it up on the corner.
Perfectly and professionaly trained dogs have bitten people, some deserved, and some not.
What happened to the ranger who shot the dog? Was it justified or not?

 

[pax]

*sigh*

READ THIS, please:

http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

Closed.

(But feel free to PM me if you have an update to the original news story to post.)

pax