Patrick Doyle makes stupidest statement ever in opp. school guns

[Manedwolf]

JIM Doyle, rather. See bold text. He just stated the anti fear position in a nutshell. And Mark Green is against letting teachers be armed, too, Wisconsinites, take note in the election.

Doyle, Green agree: no guns in schools
By David Callender

In a rare show of unanimity, both Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle and his Republican challenger, U.S. Rep. Mark Green, are condemning a Republican lawmaker's proposal to allow teachers and other school employees to carry guns at work.

Rep. Frank Lasee, R-Bellevue, says he will introduce a bill next year to allow teachers, principals, school custodians and other employees to carry concealed weapons on school premises if they complete a training course and are licensed.

Lasee said his proposal is a response to a spate of school violence, including last week's fatal shooting of Weston School Principal John Klang.

"This is a serious proposal to make our schools safer," he said in an interview.

Lasee said the measure was inspired by policies in Israel and Thailand, where he said teachers have been armed in order to counter the threat from "Muslim terrorists."

Both Doyle, who opposes a broader Republican effort to legalize carrying concealed weapons, and Green, who supports that bill, said they oppose Lasee's idea.

Doyle said the whole notion of allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons "would take away a tremendous tool the police have on the streets right now to keep us safe."

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said.

Doyle has vetoed Republican efforts to pass concealed carry legislation; Wisconsin is one of only two states that do not allow any form of concealed carry.

In an interview, Green noted that schools are already gun-free zones under both state and federal law.

"I support those laws," he said. "I helped create those laws. I don't think we should have guns in the schools."

Lasee's proposal also drew fire from Democratic attorney general candidate Kathleen Falk and one top-ranking Republican lawmaker, Senate President Alan Lasee.

In a statement, Falk called the proposal "an extremely bad idea" that "would decrease public safety, not improve it."

Falk's Republican opponent, J.B. Van Hollen, did not return phone calls seeking comment. Van Hollen has said previously he supports general measures to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons in public.

In a statement today, Senate President Alan Lasee vowed to kill the measure if the Assembly passes it.

"Let me be perfectly clear: As long as I am the Senate president, this proposal will not see the light of day in the state Senate," Lasee said, noting that he'd been contacted by numerous constituents who confused him with Frank Lasee. The two men are distant cousins.

Alan Lasee, who also supports legalizing concealed carry in other settings, called Frank Lasee's proposal "nothing more than a poorly thought-out, knee-jerk reaction to the tragic events of the last few weeks," and said he will continue to support gun-free school zones.

E-mail: [email protected]
Published: October 5, 2006

 

[AJAX22]

*sigh* I guess someone forgot to tell him that its already illigal to walk into a crowded room and SHOOT people.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said.

Holy cow

 

[cosine]

Yep, that's 'ole Deep-Thinker Doyle all right.

And as for Green, I'll take half instead of none. Creeping incrementalism, in other words. Gotta get your foot in the door at least.

 

[ProguninTN]

Doyle

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said

Good. The police need to be reminded who's boss.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the Consent of the Governed." -Thomas Jefferson

 

[torpid]

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime..."

You don't have to imagine it, it safely happens (gasp) every day outside of Wisconsin!

 

[Aguila Blanca]

To paraphrase:

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a cigarette lighter in his pocket and a newspaper under his arm and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said.

Great Scott! How can the police possibly prevent arson if people are allowed to possess and carry cigarette lighters and newspapers!

 

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said.

I have seen this quote before.

I can't remember where...anyone?

 

[MTMilitiaman]

It is a requirement to be an elected official that you must be legally retarded or was this loser just born with a non-functioning brain and made into public service on accident?

 

[LAR-15]

Since it seems most Wisconsin school admins are against guns in schools, there is no problem with Green saying guns should be out of schools.

He's trying to win over votes in the big liberal areas.

 

[LAR-15]

Mark Green is worse than Doyle??????

What planet do you live on?

Wherever it is, do not invite me there!



Oh and guns are already in schools with cops (in some areas not all)

 

[Socrates]

I'm sure this is all comforting to the dead principal.

S:banghead:

 

[cosine]

Yes, Green is a politician. As such, I take everything he says with a grain of salt, as I do for all politicians.

But he's a hell of a lot better than Doyle.

I much prefer only having to take grains of salt, rather than heaping tablespoons.




Hmm, is the glass half full or half empty? As of right now, in Wisconsin, it's bone dry. If all we can get at first is a half-glass, fine. Work on filling it up later.

 

[Strings]

Medula, i have to ask: do YOU have some form of concealed carry in your state? 'Cause guess what... we don't. And that's directly attibutable to Jim Doyle...

Is Greene perfect? Nope... nobody is. however, I would MUCH rather see greene in office, and have a chance at legal CCW, then have to deal with more years of not being a part of the United States...

One other thought: in Lasee's proposal (which appeared in Lasee's Notes), he mentions how the Israelis have armed teachers and do fine. What that doesn't take into account is the difference between the average Israeli teacher and the average American teacher: the Israeli has been fighting for the existance of his nation probably as long as he's been alive, the American has spent that same time being conditioned into a sheep. And putting a weapon (of whatever kind) into the hands of a sheep doen't change that sheep into a lion...

 

[cosine]

I also just had another thought. If I'm not mistaken, Wisconsin has a fair number of "sportsmen" whose concern for gun rights begins and ends with their hunting rifle, or sporting shotgun. If support for CCW in Wisconsin is so difficult to gather, there is the possibility that the idea of firearms in schools would not go over well either.

What I'm trying to say is there have to be many people in Wisconsin who are ambivalent about firearms issues. But the idea of guns in schools could very easily make them take a stand, on the wrong side of the line, because they have been conditioned for so long in the idea that guns don't belong in schools and that schools are safer that way.

Not stirring up those folks too much may be a good idea. Hence why Green's comments won't change my opinion of him too much, even if I don't agree with those beliefs.

 

[gwine]

It is a requirement to be an elected official that you must be legally retarded or was this loser just born with a non-functioning brain and made into public service on accident?

Well, this is Wisconsin, and I live here. For now.

Remember, people get promoted to their level of incompetence.

 

[Standing Wolf]

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said.

Imagine a scene in which virtually all the people in the room are armed, and everyone is polite. Why would the police even bother showing up?

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Doyle Would Have A Cow In Oklahoma!

During the Oklahoma Rifle Association annual meeting and banquet, Brad Henry, our Democrat governor, attended and gave a speech, had dinner, and milled around in the croud with all of us. Most likely, 90% of us were armed.

I like Oklahoma.

Woody(Former subject of the Commonwealth of the Licentious Socialists Proletariat of Massachusetts and Plymouth Plantations.)

Yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater should only result in a profusion of bullet holes in the screen where the villain last appeared! B.E.Wood

 

[AJ Dual]

Lasee's higher-than-averge understanding of RKBA is commendable, and while I agree with him, I have to wonder about the timing of his statments. However pragmatic the idea is, it's political plutonium.

Green is on our side as much as any govenor WI's going to get in the next decade is going to be. However, he has to get elected to give us any help.

Besides, this is the first time CCW in schools has even seriously entered the national debate at all. Is anyone realy surprised that the initial reaction of the majority is horror?

It's going to have to come up several times before the notion even reaches the "legitamacy" of CCW in general. And we haven't even reached that point in WI yet. First things first.

Green has just shown his true colors. He's willing to garner the "gun" vote by promising to sign CCW legislation, but when the chips are down and irrefutable PROOF could be shown that firearms deter crime by allowing LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to carry firearms in school, he jumps back in line with the other liberals and shouts "What about the children???"

Politics is the art of the possible. There's volumes I could write here to rebut you, but I'll be brief. WI RKBA and CCW, the question is simple:

Do you want something, or nothing?

Those are your choices.

And frankly, I resent absolutists like you, because while I agree with you in principle, you're part of the problem when it comes to what we don't have here in WI. Everyone who thinks like you is like the kid who pouts and takes his ball home from the sandlot because something wasn't done according to the MLB rule book. How about we just play some ball first, huh?

The times I volunteered for the WCCA/WCCM at WI gun shows getting people to fill out legislator cards and sign petitions etc., I had more problems with people with attitudes like yours than I did with the outright anti's.

I shudder to think that I once thought that Green was a real, honest to god, conservative. Now I know that he's actually a politician. Willing to say whatever he needs to in order to stay on the welfare rolls... er, I mean, government pension plan.

SURPISE! Green's a POLITICIAN? Holy..

Who knew?

Shame on him, I hope he has an anurism sitting on the toilet while squeezing out his next plan to shat on the people of Wisconsin...

I don't even need to respond to that.

Maybe you're just fed up, having a bad day, I don't know. But what I do know is that if you actuly vote (or don't) like you post, the net result of your "participation" is the same as a thouroughbred anti.

 

[Prince Yamato]

"Imagine a scene where somebody walks into a crowded room with a gun in his pocket and the police can't do anything about it because it's not a crime," Doyle said

Not too hard to imagine... it's called the South...

 

[bclark1]

Hmmm, I guess he'll just increase the police force so you've got a station next to every school, hospital, church and, hell, private home? Because government institutions have done such a good job, historically, of protecting every individual.

Don't get me wrong, I think our law enforcement officers are pursuing one of the noblest professions in our country. But it stuns me that people buy the premise that they can be everywhere, all the time.

 

[beerslurpy]

What I imagine is someone walking into a room with a gun in his pocket and the police doing nothing about it because of the 4th amendment. Preventing guns in pockets is impossible. All you need is a small gun and a pocket.

The real reason we legalize concealed carry is so that when a guy who happens to have a gun in his pocket pulls it out and kills a criminal, he doesnt get sent to prison for having a gun in his pocket. This is all about not punishing people for being good samaritans and saving the lives of children. People who wish to harm children will always have access to guns and pockets. All we can do is assure that the good guys have them too, and can use them without worrying about being prosecuted.

 

[Low-Sci]

Green said that because he knows damn well that the political climate in Wisconsin would alienate him instantaneously if he endorsed a bill like that.

The thing to remember is that that bill is an extreme idea. Its a good one, but an extreme one that scares lots of people in the most important places. Wisconsin is a swing state for a reason. Green needs the votes of those people.

He didn't condemn concealed carry for citizens, he didn't even mention it and that's to his credit. Because we know he'd be our guy for it and so does he. But first he's got to campaign, and politik, and tell people the half-truths that they want to hear so he can take office and get some work done.

Its all part of the game. You don't get elected by not being mainstream. Guns out of schools is still mainstream.

 

[ilbob]

I am a little nervous about teachers carrying schools as a knee jerk reaction to these cases. It is probably a better long term choice than turning our schools into something close to a prison like so many have become, but it is probably better if we give this one some thought first.

I am not sure where many teachers would carry such a firearm to begin with. Students would find out within a few weeks who was carrying, if traditional methods were used. They can be real observant when they want to be, thus destroying the element of surprise.

 

[Rev. DeadCorpse]

I'm not "nervous" about anyone carrying, as long as I can carry as well. Heck, I'd love to see tooled leather come back as a fashion accessory.