Patrol institutes one-stop-per-hour requirement

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Patrol institutes one-stop-per-hour requirement
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON - IR State Bureau - 07/07/05

HELENA — Since July 1, each Montana Highway Patrol officer driving on the state's roads has been required to stop at least one vehicle per hour, the patrol's chief, Col. Paul Grimstad, confirmed Wednesday.

Grimstad emphasized that these new targets are guidelines—not quotas—aimed at reducing traffic accidents, fatalities and drunken driving on the state's highways.

"We're trying to set at least a minimum of one stop per hour so our 170-odd troops out here can maybe make a little more difference," he said.

Officers are required to make one stop per "non-obligated hour" when on duty patrolling the highways, he said. They are exempt if they are testifying in court, attending training, speaking in schools or investigating highway accidents, he said.

These stops do not have to result in a patrol officer issuing tickets to drivers, Grimstad said.

"We're not even telling them you have to have six tickets or nine warnings," Grimstad said.

The once-an-hour stop joins another Highway Patrol guideline, issued in December, that each Highway Patrol officer must issue a minimum of 12 tickets a year for alcohol-related offenses. These include charges of driving or being a pedestrian while intoxicated and being a minor in possession of alcoholic beverages.

Neither guideline is believed to have been disclosed to the general public previously.

Grimstad said he imposed the targets for several reasons: a 2004 legislative audit; the 2005 Legislature's decision to provide more Highway Patrol officers and give the patrol officers a higher average pay raise than other state employees to help retain staff; and the need to reduce Montana's alcohol-related highway fatalities, which have been among the nation's highest.

"People are expecting us to do something," Grimstad said.

The legislative performance audit on the Highway Patrol suggested ways to improve the state agency by increasing officers' time patrolling the highways by coming up with other ways to address lower priority activities. It called for reducing sergeants' deskwork and having them out on the highways more to supervise officers.

Citing the legislators' decisions to boost patrol pay and staff, Grimstad said, "There is an expectation that they want some results, and we're trying to gear up for that to show we are worthy of the pay increase and the manpower increase."

He emphasized repeatedly that the targets are guidelines only, not quotas.

In a new law, the 2005 Legislature specifically prohibited local and state law enforcement agencies from imposing specific "quotas" telling officers how many arrests they must make or citations they must issue. Senate Bill 264 was sponsored by Sen. Frank Smith, D-Poplar, who could not be reached for comment.

However, the law, as amended by Sen. Jeff Mangan, D-Great Falls, provides an exemption that says the term quota "does not include the use of generally accepted management techniques that employ performance objectives as part of an overall employee evaluation."

Grimstad said Highway Patrol supervisors will review the stop records and alcohol-related tickets issued by officers as an evaluation, but they won't be graded "yea or nay." If someone is below the target, a supervisor may suggest further training, he said.

He's confident most officers would meet the targets. The average officer now issues 17-18 citations a year for alcohol-related crimes now, Grimstad said. The average officer and sergeant now makes 0.88 stops per non-obligated hour, he said.

Attorney General Mike McGrath, the state's chief law-enforcement and legal officer who oversees the patrol, supports the guidelines, spokeswoman Lynn Solomon said.

Asked how Highway Patrol officers were reacting to the targets, Grimstad said, "There are a couple who aren't happy. The vast majority are very supportive."

Tom Bivins, field representative for the Montana Public Employees Association, the union representing Highway Patrol officers, said the issue was discussed in management-labor meetings in the eight patrol districts this spring.

"To my knowledge, the Highway Patrol officers that I represent were OK with performance standards," he said. "There was a little grumbling about it initially. It certainly appeared to be a lack of communication."

http://helenair.com/articles/2005/07/07/montana/a01070705_03.prt


You can just hear the 4th amendment shattering. Papers please.
 
"guidelines, not quotas"
"If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear."
"If the cops can save just one life by doing this, we will all be safer."

Grumble.
 
Legal issues aside, I actually don't mind this, so long as they're operating in a "target rich" environment.

If I were a cop, I could pull over 45 cars every day just during my commute.

Try this little experiment if you live in a major city: drive for about half an hour on the largest freeway in your area, in the leftmost lane, at the speed limit. ;)
 
I actually don't mind this, so long as they're operating in a "target rich" environment.

You dont have a problem with being pulled over for doing nothing wrong, just because a cop has to pull someone over every hour.
 
Whats next? Shooting suspicous people at least twice a day per officer? Impounding at least 10 vehicles per day- wether or not they were doing anything illegal?

Its been going on for some time, but this blatant admission shows they now think we dont care anymore. This is rediculous and is highly likely to cause even more friction with the police.

I can just see it now....

*Cop pulls over mini-van*

"Hello mam, liscence and registration please"
"Sure officer. If you dont mind my asking what did i do wrong?"
"Nothing man. Our PD recquires that we get at least one vehicle per hour, and you were unlucky enough to be within the last 5 minutes of that hour"
"Thats rediculous! I didnt do anythjing wrong but here you are wasting my time!"
"Now mam, please calm down. If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. You can file a complaint with the PD."

Seems like they will just sit there waiting for a speeder, like they should, or they will just pull over someone the last 5 minutes of every hour.

Not only that, but how many times have you heard of people with minor issues (unpaid traffic fine) fleeing becuase they got pulled over? And then they end up in a car wreck?

This will probably only result in a slight increase of pursuits and a huge increase in infringing on my rights.
 
You still need a reason to be pulled over. Nothing has changed. The higher ups want the LEO's to have "x" contacts during their shift. :rolleyes:
 
Vernal45: No. I don't have a problem with cops being required to pull over a certain number of people who are breaking the law, provided that there are people breaking the law to pull over.

I've been harassed by police before, so I can understand your concern. But where I live, it would be _easy_ to find 20 people to pull over every hour for legitimate reasons.
 
It is very likely that EEVERYONE is breaking the law daily, usually without even knowing it. Since the situation is so ridicullous that everyone is a lawbreaker, it would not make any sense to enforce the existing laws.

Instead of stopping people who do illegal but otherwise harmless things, why not concentrate on enforcing laws which protect rights of individuals. For example, do not stop fifty people driving safely at 65 in a 55 but do stop and arrest the one read-raging maniac.
 
It is nothing for the average LEO, doing strictly traffic enforcement, in a high traffic area, to make 5 violator contacts in one hour. This includes probable cause for the stop, pulling the vehicle over, calling in the plate to dispatch, 7 step approach to the violator, dispatch returning to the LEO, writing and issuance of warning or citation, and return to service. A good LEO with a good dispatcher can accomplish all that in 8-10 minutes, and do it 100% legally.

it should be no problem for the Montana Highway Patrol to make one 100% legal stop per hour.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Steve in PA said:
You still need a reason to be pulled over. Nothing has changed. The higher ups want the LEO's to have "x" contacts during their shift.
Umm, Steve, we're talking about Montana here, not northeastern Pennsylvania. Been to Montana recently? I drove out there a couple of years ago. There are HUGE area and LONG stretches on Interstate with nothing to attract a "contact." Only possible reason for stopping a vehicle on most of the Montana Interstate is to ask the driver if he/she is awake, or bored to death by the dearth of traffic. You can't even stay awake by talking to truckers on the CB ... 90% of the time there isn't a truck within range. Establishing a quota like this, even if you call it a "guideline", is sheer idiocy in a state like Montana.
 
Its alright, this is an insane guideline, reeks of violating rights. The main reason, I am willing to bet, is revenue generation. Good ole money.
 
...but do stop and arrest the one read-raging maniac.

Oleg, that's dangerous advice.

Almost every single member of THR experiences "read rage" on a daily basis.


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***? :cuss: :barf:

Montana?

I drove across US2 a couple of years ago at night where I didn't even see another car in an hour for much of the night*. I think that I would be ready to go postal on the 5th cop to pull me over that night as I was the only person on the road.

The only logical reason for this that I can come up with is that the desk jockeys don't want the road cops sleeping & so they make them do something once an hour :banghead: .

Yet another item on the list of things as to why I'm sad tar & feathering have gone out of style :cuss: .

* (minor threadjack, not worth interrupting my minor rant :D ) At about 3am on the aforementioned drive I saw a set of headlights approaching waaaay off in the distance. Still a ways off from him I dimmed my high beams. In return he turned his off completely :what: .

As the train passed he blew his horn in greeting & the adreniline that had been dumped into my system kept me going for another couple hundred miles :D .
 
this is outrageous, and those of you who don't seem to mind, the pot is simmering on the stove, by the time it comes to a boil it will be too late.
Police are supposed to be public safety, but these "guidelines" are mandates, don't kid yourself, there will be unconstitutional stops but the cops got all the power.
 
One enforcement action per hour does not sound terribly excessive for officers whose principal duties are traffic enforcement. I hope it will encourage the officers to look for other hazardous driving behavior such as unsafe lane changes, following too close, and violations of right-of-way, rather than just hiding behind a radar gun waiting for speeders.
 
Patrol institutes one-stop-per-hour requirement:

It's not OK in my book, never has and never will be. Very little good ever comes of the practice.
This past December My wife and I traveled thru Texas in our restored 1967 Mustang. She likes antique clocks and the car was full of them. Got pulled over on the Interstate east of Van Horn, the officer said for no license plate light. Everything very polite and business like. So we go to the back of the car and look, then he tells me to stand near his RF patrol car light, asks me if I ever been arrested, answer no, then he says "well tonight might be tha night,eh". What the hell was that all about?

I know, it's invasion of privacy, it's all about control, exhibition of power, making money$ to defray costs to the tax payers thereby making the police politicians & administrators look good. They figure their officers can justify writing something at least one per hour, monetary or not.

Some of the fastest drivers and violators are retired police. They never learned patience behind a slower car because the presence of a police car made every other car get out of the way for them.

If I had'nt put my Colt in the trunk that night I would have gone to jail.
But it never was an issue because the officer didn't see it.
The practice sucks, cops don't understand it because they don't have live it, but we do.
End Rant.
 
It is nothing for the average LEO, doing strictly traffic enforcement, in a high traffic area, to make 5 violator contacts in one hour. This includes probable cause for the stop, pulling the vehicle over, calling in the plate to dispatch, 7 step approach to the violator, dispatch returning to the LEO, writing and issuance of warning or citation, and return to service. A good LEO with a good dispatcher can accomplish all that in 8-10 minutes, and do it 100% legally.
The operative phrase here being "high traffic area," and the reality here being that this is the state of Montana.

It is entirely possible that an officer may have to pull over every car he sees to meet this quota on certain roads at certain times, OR the officer will have to avoid patrolling less-traveled roads completely so she/he can meet the quota.

Doesn't sound rational to me. Statistical variation being what it is, some days you are going to see lots of violators, and some days you will see very few.

pedestrian while intoxicated
So what are you supposed to do, call your Designated Walker? :scrutiny:
 
Some of the fastest drivers and violators are retired police. They never learned patience behind a slower car because the presence of a police car made every other car get out of the way for them.

I don't drive fast. For one reason, I just don't want to put up with the hassle of being stopped by some fuzznut kid with shaved head, dark sunglasses, and steroid enhanced muscle structure looking to show me who is 'king of the road'.

For another reason, generally the difference between driving a safe legal speed and speeding towards a ticket is merely leaving the house 5-10 minutes earlier in the morning.
 
You still need a reason to be pulled over.

Oh please.

"Why did you stop me, occifer?"

"Because you were driving erratically...

...you didn't come to a full stop at that last lite...

...you failed to use your turn signal properly...

...your tail light appeared to function intermittently...

...your vehicle matched a description of another vehicle...

...because I felt like it and I can feed you any reason I want. What are you going to do about it?"
 
I read this the other day in the Billings Gazette and almost posted it myself. Sounds like bureaucratic stupidity to me but I don't think MT is a police state now. The HP officers I have had experience with seem like pretty reasonable folks.

A lot of the 2-lane hiways in the state are pretty empty and the stop "guideline" seems ridiculous there. But on I-90 it would be a different story. I suppose they just want to make sure their officers aren't napping alongside the road somewhere ;)

But I have a major gripe in general with LE using tickets/arrests/etc as a measure of effectiveness. If any LE agency is truly effective, there would be zero tickets/arrests because everyone is obeying the "law." Of course, that pre-supposes that the goal of LE in general is to provide a safer society rather than enhance the coffers and power of the almighty government.
 
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