Paul Gomez on 9mm vs .45

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Vern, totally agree. I couldn't get even 1/2 way thru it. He went down more rabbit trails than the Easter Bunny.
 
More ammo isn't always the solution, any instructor worth his salt knows that. The largest capacity gun I carry holds eight rounds of .9mm and that's plenty for me. Swapping that out for a harder hitting, big caliber would only be a step up.
 
PabloJ said:
Shlomo Baum suggested minimum of 6 spare mags.
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6 mags? Is that a recommendation for military. I may be wrong but has there EVER been a case of a civilian using 6 mags in a self defense situation?
 
I watched half. Never heard of the guy. Too many YouTube "Pro's" popping up these days .

Sounded like he is just repeating what has already been established.
 
TennJed said:
6 mags? Is that a recommendation for military. I may be wrong but has there EVER been a case of a civilian using 6 mags in a self defense situation?
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Paul Gomez, an excellent instructor, makes some salient points if you actually listen to him:

-most modern ammo manufactures are designing ammo to penetrate to the exact same limits.
-most modern ammo designs expand to very similar diameters.
-the ability to accurately put a round into the target often wins the fight. The ability to put fact and accurate follow-up shot on target is just as, if not more, important. Many people can do that better with a 9mm than with a .45. In that respect, a high-cap .45 may not be as good as a high-cap 9mm.
-being temporarily (or permanently) out of the fight due to an empty gun can be a significant factor in surviving a fight...the ability to remain in the fight is often dependent on ammo capacity. This must be considered before choosing a carry weapon.
 
If someone has a preference for the 9mm, that's cool. If they have one for the .45, that's cool, too.

If they want to come up with all sorts of reasons why one is "definitely" better than the other for all (or most) users, well, that's doomed to failure.

Mostly because they both stink compared to 10mm. ;):D
-the ability to accurately put a round into the target often wins the fight.
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And yet, given poor lighting, target movement, and shooter movement during a gunfight, it may be the one thing you can depend upon least. Not easy to practice that type of shooting a lot, and it's not clear that more "static" target shooting in daylight transfers well (it probably does to some extent).

In order to improve your odds of a good hit (on an equipment level), is the solution more rounds? Less recoil? Bigger bullets? More rounds and bigger bullets?

Ya paiz ya munny...
 
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Paul Gomez is an excellent instructor. He and SouthNarc instructed the ECQC classes I attended back around 2005-2006, so Paul is not exactly new at the business.

I don't watch YouTube videos anymore, as my gadgets spend far, far more time buffering, or whatever that process is, than playing, so I cannot comment on this video clip itself. I don't have the whole afternoon it takes to watch a half-hour YouTube. I do remember, however, remember Paul's thoughts on choosing 9mm, and have no problems with any of it. While I tend to prefer weapons chambered in other cartridges, 9mm is fine with me. This is not the 1970s or 1980s, anymore. Controlled-expansion JHP science has progressed far.

I may well start carrying 9mm as a duty cartridge soon. Though we (very large PD) standardized on the .40 for uniformed patrol in 1997, a new policy has been sent up for the chief's signature, to add 9mm as a second standard cartridge* My aging, ailing right wrist will certainly welcome the change! A SWAT officer of my acquaintance, not bound by the .40 standard for patrol, and quite the big-bore fan, has already gone 9mm. I have a pre-owned, gently-treated G17 on layaway, already. (The G17's lower bore axis will
additionally help mitigate recoil, compared to my present duty P229.)

*I cannot specify the PD; we are prohibited from discussing certain subjects on social media while being identifiable as a member of the PD.

I do still like .45 ACP. It is the .40 that I find rather useless these days.
 
In order to improve your odds of a good hit (on an equipment level), is the solution more rounds? Less recoil? Bigger bullets? More rounds and bigger bullets?
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Or another option: pick a platform that "fits" you. One that, #1 you'll actually carry daily and #2 points as naturally, and instinctively as possible (combination of weight, balance, trigger reach, and shape/size/material of the grips / grip frame. A 20 round wonderauto won't do any good if one can't grasp it effectively enough to make point shooting a viable option. Definitely no one size fits all solutions here.
 
TennJed said:
6 mags? Is that a recommendation for military. I may be wrong but has there EVER been a case of a civilian using 6 mags in a self defense situation?
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Why is it that everytime the number of spare mags is mentioned, someone automatically thinks it's referring to how many you should carry on your person if you get into a gunfight?

99.9% of the time, when someone suggests the number of spare mags, it refers to how many you should OWN, not how many you should carry.

In which case, 6 is bare minimum for any serious gun.

Usually, mags that are to be carried are referred to as "reloads." ("you should carry at least one reload...")
 
jad0110 makes a good point about fit. I dislike double-column-magazine pistols, because my thumbs, and ring and pinkie fingers, are rather short. I am mandated to tote a double-column pistol while in uniform, but off the clock, use revolvers or a single-column 1911 auto. To me, most double-column pistols are not handguns, but handS-guns. During a fight, my support hand might have something else important to do, off the pistol.
 
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jad0110 makes a good point about fit. I dislike double-column-magazine pistols, because my thumbs, and ring and pinkie fingers, are rather short. I am mandated to tote a double-column pistol while in uniform, but off the clock, use revolvers or a single-column 1911 auto. To me, most double-column pistols are not handguns, but handS-guns. During a fight, my support hand might have something else important to do, off the pistol.
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There are some double-stack exceptions for example the 10-shot S&W99 .45Auto with small grip insert is a hand gun.
 
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