Pelosi To Assassinate Free Speech

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Significantly, the reporting requirement spelled out above would not apply to messages targeted at an organization's members, employees, officers or shareholders. In effect, this would let most corporations, trade associations and unions off the reporting hook.
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Well, since we are all members here at THR, then I guess we are exempt. ;)


Anyway, the "republic" is already gone - the vultures are just picking over the bones :(
 
Well, since we are all members here at THR, then I guess we are exempt.
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no, it says: It makes changes to the legal definition of "grassroots lobbying" and requires any organization that encourages 500 or more members of the general public to contact their elected representatives

At the time of my post of you go to the front page of THR and look at the list of who is online it says the following:
Currently Active Users: 1528 (414 members and 1114 guests)

Thats 514 more members of "the general public" than needed under this proposed law. And thats assuming the law is interpreted to mean "all at once" and not "within the space of a year" or "over the course of all time" ... hell, over the course of a year I've encouraged more than 500 "members of the general public" to vote or contact their politicritters on my own.

What if you live on a busy street, would putting a political sign in your front car count? Drive your car with an "I'm the NRA and I Vote!" bumper sticker through rush hour traffic?

McCain started this crap, looks like Nancy wants to "Out Police State" Mr. Police State himself.
 
It seems like this would inordinately affect various Democratic organizations such as MoveOn. I'm surprised they'd be quite so foolish as to shoot themselves in the foot like that.
 
So where's the ACLU? Come to think of it, where the heck were they when McCain started the ball rolling on this crap????:fire:
 
ilcylic said:
It seems like this would inordinately affect various Democratic organizations such as MoveOn. I'm surprised they'd be quite so foolish as to shoot themselves in the foot like that.
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You're missing the point. It isn't about Republican speech or even Democrat speech. It's about OUR speech. The speech of We the People. It's more of the incumbency protection that the McCain-Feingold Atrocity brought us.

The Internet is kicking their asses over there in DC and they want to stop it. They are losing control of the rhetoric. Our sane, freedom-loving, rights protection speech is getting out there and making a difference. They can't stand it, and the only thing they can do to shut us up is make our speech illegal just like they are doing to our RKBA - one step, one increment, at a time.

They ain't shootin' themselves in the foot. They're shootin' you in the mouth.

Woody

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any [strike]arms[/strike] speech and march less [strike]prepared[/strike] verbal into the future." B.E.Wood
 
I hope it's true...the effort that is. Bizarre ideas, that are not well thought out, always spell doom for them. Do you realize why Democrats were not pushing for gun control this election? 1) They realized that most of the voters don't support it and 2) after the re-election of Dubya, they realized that having the option to arm themselves and overthrow the government might have merit...particularly when the military appears to be 100% behind that government. I would bet that even the boobs at DU will eventually understand the folly and danger of this act.
 
It seems like this would inordinately affect various Democratic organizations such as MoveOn. I'm surprised they'd be quite so foolish as to shoot themselves in the foot like that.
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They would exclude their political orgs somehow, or sacrifice them for the cause if needed.

The Internet is kicking their asses over there in DC and they want to stop it
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Precisely. Forums, Bloggers, Podcasts, online newspapers. Its all chipping away at the leftist power machine in ways they never dreamed possible. To stop this, they will try to destroy or severly restrict the alternative media.

I would bet that even the boobs at DU will eventually understand the folly and danger of this act.
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They are fully and blindly committed to their cause. Most will not change for anything. They will throw away their rights to get at yours.

Look, D.C.'s out of control. They have packs of rabid followeres that forms their powerbase. They vote themselves pay raises, and stop any changes to the status quo that do not suit them. This goes for both Republican and Democratic politicians.
 
There's no party line on this one. This aims to squelch ALL of us regardless of our preferred issues or politics. This is the type of stuff you don't shrug your shoulders when it passes... this is the stuff you fight tooth and nail by any means neccessary.

This... is self-evident totalitarianism. No "slippery slope", just the end of free political speech.
 
Y'all realize that you're freaking out over a potential bill based solely on the characterization of one far-right mouthpiece with a bone to pick?

Have any of you seen the text of a proposed bill? Read the particulars anywhere? Question whether or not NewsMax might just, you know, distory the alleged aims and wording?

Do you ask the Pope to give you a rundown on the high points of the Qu'ran, too?
 
The ruling class is protecting itself. Right to petition congress is one of those seldom mentioned but quite important rights we possess, yet here we are watching the ruling class incrementally closing that particular right down. Republican congress gets stampeded into passing campaign finanace control. A republican president refuses to take the political by vetoing an patently unconsititutional bill. Republicans huff and puff about getting SCOTUS to strike down the evil legislation. SCOTUS shocks, shocks I say, everyone by saying "nuthin' here folks, move along." Republicans say this will not stand and they will pass legislation to fix the problem. Nuthin' get done.

Now Democrats ride into town and their solution to the affront to liberty is to make the situation even worse.

I repeat, there is no difference between the parties. We have a two party government. . . . .them and us.
 
wooderson said:
Have any of you seen the text of a proposed bill? Read the particulars anywhere? Question whether or not NewsMax might just, you know, distory the alleged aims and wording?
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What wording with any such aims would not abridge the freedom of speech! Notice that I didn't end that last sentence with a question mark. It's a rhetorical question. There is no answer to it.

Woody

"If they silence the sound of my voice, they'll surely hear the sound of my gun - if I decide to use something subsonic, that is!" B.E.Wood
 
Green Lantern said:
So where's the ACLU? Come to think of it, where the heck were they when McCain started the ball rolling on this crap???
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Thanks for asking. (For those that don't want to follow the link, the ACLU opposed McCain-Feingold.)

gopguy: I wasn't suggesting you should go along with a California-styly waiting period. Just pointing out an inaccuracy in your rhetoric.
 
NewsMax is to ultra-right as NYT is to ultra-left.

Find citations from a number of journalists in the middle, then we'll talk. NewsMax just isn't a credible source, I'm afraid.

News helps. Rumors and jumping to conclusions doesn't. It DOES make people cry wolf, and then ignore the real threats later.
 
The ruling class is protecting itself. Right to petition congress is one of those seldom mentioned but quite important rights we possess, yet here we are watching the ruling class incrementally closing that particular right down. Republican congress gets stampeded into passing campaign finanace control. A republican president refuses to take the political by vetoing an patently unconsititutional bill. Republicans huff and puff about getting SCOTUS to strike down the evil legislation. SCOTUS shocks, shocks I say, everyone by saying "nuthin' here folks, move along." Republicans say this will not stand and they will pass legislation to fix the problem. Nuthin' get done.

Now Democrats ride into town and their solution to the affront to liberty is to make the situation even worse.

I repeat, there is no difference between the parties. We have a two party government. . . . .them and us.
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Once again...

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Fox News, like CNN, MSNBC and the other MSM sources, are corporate media. They report and slant in whatever direction their board of directors thinks will increase their ratings and shareholder returns, period.

Hence the inordinate amount of giggly celebrity scandal fluff that makes the first few minutes of the so-called "news" on each, while stories that are deemed too hard for the audience to understand, or not interesting enough, are ignored. It also explains why shows of actual intelligent people having civilized discourse have been replaced with performance shows featuring uninformed pundits trying to outshout each other like children at recess. They're the news equivalent of WWF wrestling, pre-determined as to who will be the punching bag and what will be the scandalous comment to be discussed at workplace coffeebreaks the next day. Fake. Moronic. Dumbed-down and prepackaged idiocy for people who want to be told what to think. The pundits are uneducated dolts, the anchorpeople are airheaded mannequins who would be utterly lost, sitting there with a blank stare if their teleprompter shut off. In fact, that's happened more than once when a feed is lost and there's no script. There is no intellect present to allow for THEM to have an impromptu discussion of the available facts. They're dead in the water without lines to read.

All of those, I simply refer to as "infotainment fluff".
 
I completely agree with the first paragraph - I just can't figure out how it doesn't apply equally to the NYT, which is even more worried about advertising dollars in this day and age.
 
Perhaps that the 'aims' don't exist?
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If there aren't any aims, why have any words? No words = no abridged freedom of speech. ANY aim would constitute an abridgment, just as any "gun control" law is an infringement.

Woody

As the Court said in Boyd v. United States:

"It may be that it is the obnoxious thing in its mildest and least repulsive form; but illegitimate and unconstitutional practices get their first footing in that way, namely, by silent approaches and slight deviations from legal modes of procedure. This can only be obviated by adhering to the rule that constitutional provisions for the security of person and property should be liberally construed. A close and literal construction deprives them of half their efficacy, and leads to gradual depreciation of the right, as if it consisted more in sound than in substance. It is the duty of courts to be watchful for the constitutional rights of the citizen, and against any stealthy encroachments thereon."

Occasionally, the Court gets it right, but we should not wait solely upon the Court to protect our rights for us. We should take an active part as well.
 
We note that the Republicans are already whining like the spoiled little children that they are: "It's not faaaaiiiiir! They haveta' play nice with us 'cause we didn't play nice with them. Mama Pelosi, we didn't let you play with us, but we want to play with you now that you're bigger!"

In other words, back when the Dems were in the minority they proposed rules that would give the minority party now and in the future access to committees, a say in procedures, input on bills and the right to consultation. Hastert didn't even bother to acknowledge that he'd gotten the proposal. Now the House GOP is demanding the Democrats who control the House give them exactly the courtesy they refused to extend over the last six years.

On the very same day Bush, who spent like a drunken sailor and took the unprecedented step of cutting taxes during wartime, is calling for fiscal restraint and a balanced budget by the beginning of John McCain's second term. His cronies did more earmarking than any Legislature ever. But now he wants it all to stop right away and embark on a new course of "bipartisanship" which seems to consist of letting Caesar do whatever the heck he wants as if the 2006 elections never happened.

They can sure dish it out. They don't seem to be able to take it.
 
Cute....

But once again allow me to point out....maybe the Republicans are upset because the Democrats BROKE THEIR PROMISE[/i] after the elections. AFTER the elections, they had already won. They had nothing to lose by telling the Republicans "as ye sowed, so shall ye now reap!" And if they had, what could the Repbulicans have honestly said then????

But nooooooo....the Dems had to come with a flowery public pledge of "bipartisanship." Only to decide at the last minute, in private phone calls - "on second thought - 'screw em. Shut the Rethugs out!"

Tell me, Todd - don't YOU get upset when the cable guy promises he'll arrive at noon, only to drag in at 8pm?

Or when you buy something with a money-back garuantee, only to need to take them up on it and find out the offer's been cancelled?

When you drop off a prescription and are told it will be ready in 15 minutes - only to come back and find out that they forgot to put it in?

It's about living up to your word, and not making promises you don't intend to keep.

A simple concept, but one the MSM and some people have a hard time grasping it seems...:confused:
 
Malone:

In California, there's a 10-day waiting period, and gun shows are alive and well.
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Any Californians care to weigh in on that?

I lived in the Bay area from '82-91. I remember going to Gun Shows at the Fairgrounds in San Jose. When I moved in 91, the Fairgrounds was under seige.

I moved down to the LA area (job related). At the time there were gun shows at the Fair Grounds at Pomona. Guess what? LA city and county did away with all of that.

I left there in 01.

http://www.gunshows-usa.com/california.htm

Alive and well? Depends on your definition. Compare the number of gun shows in The Most Populous State In The Nation to those in TX.

http://www.gunshows-usa.com/texas_gun_&_knife_shows.htm

Looks more like "gasping for breath" from here...
 
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