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people complain about hunting. yet they eat meat...

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by hockeybum, Nov 30, 2006.

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  1. hockeybum

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    People are hypocrites. they eat meat, and yet complain about killing animals. they say its okay to eat meat from farms, because they dont suffer...

    what i shoot i eat, i do not put any animals through any more, possible less pain than those animals owned by farms. when i shoot something, i first make sure its dead, if its squirming around, in pain, i will put another bullet in it to take it out of its misery, unlike farms where they let them bleed. jake watterworth also hunts and he does the exact same thing with what he shoots. we shoot to eat, yes there is a thrill and an adrenaline rush involved in hunting, but not so big a rush that i do not end the animals lives inhumanely. am i saying that there are not ppl who just kill animals for fun? no. i am saying that i eat what i kill, and i kill it in a humane way. 90% of hunters kill animals and eat them. 7% kill them because they are being attacked. 3% shoot to kill and leave them where they live. i am proud to say that i am in the 90% range. please feel free to reply to this, as to see how you deal with idiots, who tell you "Why are you killing ducks? Why don't you just kill the mean animals like snake and spiders?" (as Carlos Mencia would say "dee-dee-dee"
     
  2. carterbeauford

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    read that on here a while back. so true.
     
  3. pcosmar

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    I think those people buy meat from a store and forget to respect the animal it came from. I still remember the first rabbit I shot. It was both joy and pain, but was great with curry and rice.
     
  4. Outlaws

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    I think you mis-understand those who eat mean yet dont' like hunting.

    Generally speaking, they see a deer as much different than a fat ugly cow. Which to an extent I agree with. But as long as we are not talking unregulated hunting like we did to the buffalo, I dont' care if people hunt....mostly because I do too. :evil:
     
  5. mustanger98

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    I'm a deer hunter. I've also dealt with anti-hunting individuals. One of those anti's is my grandmother who went about saying "don't hurt the deer". My reply was "I ain't gonna hurt 'em; I'm gonna kill 'em and eat what I kill".

    I believe people are so far removed from where their meat comes from that they can't see what a commercially farm-raised animal goes through. My grandparents grew up when you still slaughtered your own hogs and beef and my Mom remembers her grandmother having frying chickens hung up in the kitchen to be cooked. That was back when they sometimes hunted small game, but they don't tend to make it sound like it was any kind of big deal. Most of the hunting was on Daddy's side of the family and it was a bigger deal there. Daddy's the one that got me into deer hunting. Mom's mother is the anti, but she quit preaching anti to me when the deer started making such a big dent in her azealias; that's when she started saying "kill 'em all" and couldn't understand why I didn't.

    As to deer hunting, there is still a "Bambi effect"... I was talking with a lady I'm aquainted with a couple of days ago. She asked if we had a good Thanksgiving and I told her how good it went... that after dinner I went hunting and got a decent buck that made some purty steaks, but didn't have the genetics to make braggin' antlers. Well, my friend said she's around a lot of hunters and she can understand hunting deer for population control and that most hunters eat what we kill, but she saw Bambi in the 1st grade and never got over it so she has a time with the thought of eating deer meat. However, she also saw what I told her about how Bambi still had spots so for the time of year, the hunters who killed Bambi's mother were actually poachers and Walt Disney was either an anti-hunter or just ignorant of deer.

    Myself... I saw Bambi as a very young kid. It did upset me at the time. However, given time and logic, when I killed my deer Thanksgiving day, I had no remorse whatever. I'm not a hard-hearted kind of guy, but life and death... this is just the way of things. There's a big lopsided spike who's no longer running around with somebody else's half an arrow in him and goofin' up the gene pool... and my freezer's half-full of deer steaks. BTW, I used a .30-30.
     
  6. kungfuhippie

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    Some of us like cows, they are much smarter than many a deer.

    Really, it's that most people have never given a thought to the fact that their bigmac use to be a living animal. My sister doesn't like to eat things that still resemble animals. She went fishing with dad and caught a few fish, wouldn't eat them, I did, nice big trout.

    I've killed many animals that I've eaten. Chicken, duck, rabbit, jack rabbit, various fish (some were domesticated some hunted). No deer yet, soon. I will draw the line, if I ever decide to go coyote hunting, not gonna eat one.

    What really helped me get over any hippie-dippy mentality was when in Ecuador I was invited to lunch and the daughter of the family (10 y.o.) grabbed a fat hen, slit it's throat, and had it in the pot before it was cold. :eek: (very talented) That hen tasted very good. If a 10 year old little Ecuadorian girl can get lunch ready like that any wussy American can.
     
  7. Declaration Day

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    The Bambi effect is so true. Most of the women I've met who are anti-hunting have used Bambi as some part of their argument. And yes, almost all of them are meat eaters.

    I point out that Bambi is merely a cartoon character, who was given a cute name and personality. Sure it's ludicrous that I should have to point that out, but I do.

    I think the cuteness of certain animals tugs at their heartstrings, and those are the only ones they're truly interested in saving.

    BTW I've never had a hunting argument with a vegetarian/vegan. If they practice what they preach I will respect their opinion.
     
  8. Colt46

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    We're all part of the food chain

    We are lucky because we are on top or near it anyway. Vegetarians that eat because they think meat is unhealthy or they choose not to is no problem. When a vegetarian starts to bust my chops about animals having suffered for my hamburger or any such nonsense that allows them to be superior because they choose to eat vegetables gets them on my short list really quick.
    How anybody can deny someone else their choice in what they eat(Alfred Packer accepted) baffles me.
     
  9. mustanger98

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    Here's another thing or two I didn't say in my previous post... my sister, who I've told about before, likes to fish and she'll kill and eat what she catches. Thing is, she's not into deer hunting because she has a certain amount of squeamishness about shooting something "warm and fuzzy". But, once Daddy or I or some of her in-laws shoot a deer, she can deal with cutting up the meat. It's not anti-hunting for her; it's just that she's not into the part where she'd be the one dropping the hammer that punches 150grains through a deer's lungs and watching it go down.

    I haven't had one of those arguements since August of 1998... they weren't just vegetarian/vegan, but they were also religious fanatics. Even though they professed to be a type of Christian, they tried to lie and tell me squirrels and deer both have Mad Cow Disease. So a religious person resorts to a tactic supposedly against their religion (10 Commandments- thou shalt not bear false witness) to impose their diet they base on their religion on someone who hasn't converted. I ain't worryin' about 'em.
     
  10. cracked junior

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    i dont listen to them people. they are messed up in the head. no matter what you eat, it is dead. take crops for an example, when the combine cuts it off just above ground level or a person pulls it from the ground or however it is harvested. that crop is now dead. so basicly no matter what a person eats, it had to die before becoming food.

    i also dont hear them complaining about how the tree got cut down just so they can wipe their butt. even though there are people who protest tree cutting. but its mostly about animal killing.

    my point is. it is a living object that died so the person can live their life.
     
  11. sjones63

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    my next door neighbor asked me one time,why do you kill those deer,they are so pretty,my answer: because they taste so good.I believe in P.E.T.A.
    P.people
    E.eating
    T.tasty
    A.animals.
    thats my story and I'm sticking to it. sj:)
     
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    Both squirrels and deer carry prion diseases, in squirrels its called Creutzfeld Jakob and in Deer it is Crohnic Wasting Disease. They are both similar to Mad Cow Disease
     
  13. bclark1

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    I hear you hockey bum. I think veggies are out of their mind, but at least they hold a consistent stance - they just don't want to eat animals. I write them off as nutters but it's almost more respectable because they have a stance.

    Meat eaters who are adamently anti-hunting, though, make no sense. No one's making you hunt. And no, I don't need to hunt, you're right, I can just go to the grocery store and grab a steak. But domestic animals have much crappier lives than game animals, and for a wild animal, being shot is not a bad way to go. Particularly for deer, I'd bet the vast majority of which succumb to predation, starvation or car strikes... they don't exactly make it to retiring homes too often. But yes, if you like a good burger, you're a huge hypocrite if you've got a problem with hunting.

    There are bad examples of hunters who put these thoughts in people's minds. You should be ethical. If it's the norm to take multiple wounding shots at game, if you're not putting your rounds through the boiler room, yes, you've got a problem. While you should be sporting, it shouldn't be for sport - don't kill for the sake of killing. What it should do is put you back in touch with nature and remind you where all the food we're so lucky to have comes from. You work for what you get to a spiritual degree - it's a very special thing. I almost feel bad for anti's in a way, because they'll never know that feeling you get when you harvest an animal - the sense of elation and graciousness tinged with a hint of sorrowful thanks for the animal giving itself to you, ultimately reminding you of your place in the chain and how big and small and individual's existence is in one instant.

    I apologize if that was overly poetic, or overly wannabe poetic, but it's true. Hunting is a heck of a privilege, even if it is out of necessity. Ultimately, the attitude I have towards the anti's can best be summed as "If you need to ask, you wouldn't understand."
     
  14. crunker

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    I have not yet hunted anything other than insects in my life, and that's only because I wish to end their pestilence.

    Killing sucks, period. If you think otherwise or consider killing anything but a last resort to solve problems, then you are a sadist or just incapable of compassion.

    Hunting is okay since you have to kill something to eat it, which you only do to survive.
     
  15. sinistr

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    people think that buying meat instead of hunting it is more humane?the exact opposite is true.would you rather run free in the wilderness ,procreating and haveing a fighting chance at evading predaters like nature intended or, live your life in a feed lot until you are processed in a slaughter house.seems like no brainer.
     
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    Actually, a sadist is someone who would shoot an animal just to see it thrash and squall from undescribable agony. I said I had no remorse for shooting the deer. I don't think that makes me sadistic. My bullet went through the boiler room. Now, there's a matter of symantics... this thing about a "clean kill" which, unless someone makes the type shot that would knock out the brain stem, would be nearly impossible. I say that because when you punch 150grains through a deer lungs, it's gonna be a bloody mess when the deer's field dressed. It's not so much a "clean kill" as it is a quick humane kill which means it's over as quickly as possible with little or no suffering for the animal. The kill is made with the utmost respect for the animal. In fact, the Germans and Austrians and even the French have a custom of "the last bite"... a sprig of leaves is placed in the deer's mouth as well as another sprig being worn on the hunter's hat or cape. This is done out of respect for the animal.

    spooney, The lie wasn't in the existence of those diseases, but rather in the geographic distribution of those diseases. I've still not heard of cases in or near my part of Georgia. I haven't heard of cases around my relatives in Alabama either.

    bclarck1, I don't consider what you said to be overly poetic or wannabe poetic. There's a good bit of truth in it. Did you ever read Louis L'Amour's "Last of the Breed"? The main character was an Indian stuck in Siberia... hunted to survive and his people's custom was to place their hand on the animal's head and say something like "because of your sacrifice, I and my people will eat". To be honest, that's the feeling I got with my kill. It's not that the adrenaline rush isn't there, but that that's not so much what it's about.
     
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    COLT 46 - "... Alfred Packer accepted...

    :D :D :D :D

    You must be from Colorado.

    Remember the "Alfred E. Packer Commemorative Grill" at the U. of Colo. commisary, before the left wing politically correct idiots forced them to take down the sign???? :uhoh:

    L.W.
     
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    neither does the deer if your shot is good. They just dont like hunting because it involves guns.
     
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    I usually don't hunt deer because I don't care for the taste of venison. I generally hunt turkey and bear. I just love the taste of bear meat.
     
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    I think some people who eat meat but are adament anti=hunting sorts are really upset that you have the guts and know how to do what they can not do. It makes them have to admit to themselves they do not really have what it takes to survive and they know they have to depend on someone else. They dislike you for their imperfection.
     
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    You mean the same reason why firearm owners are hated?
     
  22. MDHunter

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    Hypocrites

    This is The High Road, so I'll apologize in advance for my rant...

    Hockeybum - the short and easy answer often is, people complain about, or disapprove of, that which they don't understand, or don't do themselves. People who eat meat, yet think hunting is wrong, are about as hypocritical as it gets! They don't mind "someone else" doing the dirty work and killing/cutting up their meat for them; yet they don't approve of, or believe in, those who opt to catch/kill their own meat.

    The next time someone comments about this to you, engage them in the following conversation:

    "Let's look at the path your hamburger, and my deer steak, took to get to the table. First, my deersteak. This animal died in the woods (or fields, or whatever), in its natural habitat, and if the bow or rifle shot was a good one, there's a good chance that it suffered very little. It may have felt some shock for several seconds, but that could be the extent of it.

    Now let's chart the path for your burger to the table. If the cow was killed at a slaughterhouse, it could smell the blood of the animals that were killed before it; it could hear the screams of the other animals; and it had to wait among a bunch of panic-stricken cows, for its turn to be slaughtered. In some cases, the cow is not totally dead when machines do things like chop off its tail, peel off it's hide, and disembowel it. Would you consider that a relatively pain-free, stress-free way to die?"

    As for vegetarians - if they do it because they don't believe in eating meat, more power to them! If someone does it because they believe that being a vegetarian doesn't harm any animals, that's a much bigger stretch. There was a study cited a year or so back on this Forum, by the University of Oregon or Washibgton I believe, that demonstrated that a vegetarian lifestyle actually killed more voles, shrews, and some species of birds, due to the shallow-till crop harvesting method employed or something similar.

    As for hunters and fishermen being the ultimate conversationists - I don't go there, because this one is usually WAY too much for them to comprehend. Getting them to understand that we probably love the animals we hunt more than they do, is just too much to ask.

    Sorry again for the rant guys and gals, and good hunting!

    Michael
     
  23. MDHunter

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    I think some people who eat meat but are adament anti=hunting sorts are really upset that you have the guts and know how to do what they can not do. It makes them have to admit to themselves they do not really have what it takes to survive and they know they have to depend on someone else. They dislike you for their imperfection.

    You mean the same reason why firearm owners are hated?


    THAT, my friend, is called hitting the nail right on the head.

    Michael
     
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    I am neither for hunting or against it. I grew up in a rural area with plenty of hunters(except for my family) but I took interest into the sport. I fully understand hunters today, are under alot of pressure by groups who want to ban it the sport. They just don't like killing animals, this might make them hypocrites but it does not help the situation calling people who disagree with you as nuts. With the urbanization of America, the decrease of rural wild lands, and the steady decline in hunters, the time is ticking on traditional sports such as hunting, fishing, traping etc. It might best for hunters to funnel this anger towards non hunters, and try to use the same energy to positivley promote their sport to urban areas. I bet it will reap better dividends in the end then just complaning about the anti hunters on the net.
     
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    Eat What I Shoot?

    Well, I don't know about the rest of y'all . . .

    But when I have to hunt the Lesser Spotted Evil Critter there ain't no way in heck I'm gonna eat what I shoot. That would just be gross.
     
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