Hunting to Provide Organic Sustainable Meat

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I agree, but its not about organic food having additional nutritional benefit, it about not consuming chemicals that can harm the body. I don't see how it could possibly harm you to eat meat that was not treated with antibiotics and hormones vs. meat that was. Its illogical. I have an animal science degree from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, I am not a specialist by any stretch, but I know for sure I would rather feed my family wild game than factory farm raised meat, simply because of the amount of chemical residue in the meat.
 
But the reason #2 goes to the free meat.
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Free meat!!! I guess you could look at it that way, as opposed to No meat!!! If your hunt was unsuccessful. If you factor in the cost of license, fuel, groceries, beer, and whiskey. My venison costs about $10 a pound!!! :D:D:D
 
It's a free market. If the "organic" growers (I thought all living things were carbon based and therefore organic :rolleyes:) can con the hippy crowd into eating food for 3 times the price, well, that's marketing success! And, if said hippy thinks he is healthier for it, even though he has no idea HOW that food was actually grown, that's marketing success. Hey, was that lettuce contaminated with cow dung (organic fertilizer) marketed as "organic" I wonder. The fecal coliform, no doubt, made it tasty.

I fail to see how any sort of hormone or genetic engineering will negatively affect nutrition, either. Call me stupid, i guess. Hell, since my wife passed away, I eat a lot of TV dinners, lately. They've gotten a lot better than they were 35 years ago when I was in college. I'm not a food nazi, I guess. Eat what makes ya happy, I say. I like hunting, I like killing, but fixing a big pork meal for just me seems like a waste of time when I can just zap a tV dinner in the microwave.
 
I'm the guy out there passing on boone and crockett bucks for a young doe.
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It must be nice to at least see a B&C buck, much less pass on one for better tablefare. Most folks never see one in a lifetime.
 
Oh, BTW, there is NO economic logic in buying a duck stamp, waders, deeks, steel shot at 10 bucks a box, and shooting ducks for the meat. Yet, this is my favorite form of hunting. Just as stupid is doves. I mean, one dove breast is two bites...
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Yeah, MC...(LOL)...My Duck and Dove meat probably only runs about a $100 a pound. But man do I like shopping for it.:D
 
It depends on what I'm hunting. For large game it's my main motivation. I'd say the "additional" motivation is how fun it is. I don't care so much about the "organic" aspect of it, but I think the animals taste great and generally prefer it to what I buy at the store. If it is actaully more healthy then great, if not then oh well because it tastes better and it's more fun to go get.

Cost is a relative question. It costs money to pay for hobbies, you can make it as cheap or expensive as you want. Some hobbies make you a return, in this case meat. For small game, I look at it like I pay for the fun and the meat is free. Not really cost effective in the sense of buying food, but the combination of excellent fun and delicious food make it well worth it.

I do get a lot of enjoyment out of "outsmarting the animal in it's own habitat." I'm not sure why it is so fullfilling since it isn't surprising that humans can outsmart animals most of the time, especially when we can shoot rifles accurately at long distances. It is a rush nonetheless. However, for big game, the meat is what really matters. As somebody else mentioned, you can't eat the antlers. I've passed up I think two big game animals in my life for a bigger one. One of those hunts I came up empty and man was I sore about that. I like my deer steaks. I would have gotten over shooting that spike the second that tender steak hit the grill. Don't get me wrong, I love the chase and it's a big part of why I hunt but if that's all I was in it for I would just stick with coyotes.
 
Hello friends and neighbors // Yes, the benifits of hunting are many.

If the squirrel,rabbit... looks bad don't eat it, it is you that chooses.
The Doc says I can eat all the deer meat I want.
Walking the woods is healthy too, especially with a heavy rifle/shotgun.
Walking the Soybean field is a good workout until it becomes dangerous.

Dragging/carrying a deer is a good workout too, or was till the ATV came along.:D
 
A little drift: I have read an estimate that "natural" or "organic" farming, worldwide, could feed some 3.4 billion people, at most.

The present world population is about 6.7 billion.
 
Yes, quality organic meat is the primary reason why I hunt. Additionally, I rest better at night knowing that, the animal I killed for food, lived every day in the field naturally,until the moment I pulled the trigger. It just seems right.
 
Another thing about that "free meat". I pay a good amount in taxes on my little place. I could fund my food budget for several months just on those taxes. If I fenced it, put goats on it (they would get ate by the bobcats and coyotes, though) and got an ag exemption on the taxes, it'd be a LOT freer. :D Sell the excess, I might even come close to breaking even. :rolleyes:
 
Can someone explain to me what makes organic meat so desireable. I just don't get it. If the deer and elk we eat fed on the same stuff and had the same hormones as the cows we eat I would still like deer and elk just fine. I like deer and elk steaks simply because they are deer and elk. I could care less about them being "organic."
 
Well the fact that you aren't injesting quantities of sythesized growth hormone, and bovine antibiotics are a start. I guess some people just care more about their health, what they eat, and how they feel than others. It's your own choice, but if I had the choice between licking a lead spoon everyday and not, I would choose not....guess that makes me a pansy.

Lots of folks subsist on high fat/salt diets from packages foods and fast food resturants, it will catch up to ya eventually. In the mean time you will probably just be overweight with high blood pressure.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with everything HGUNHNTR's said about the health benefits of meat that was not intentionally filled with hormones, chemicals, etc. and I also think that the eco-benefits of wild game, the environmental sustainability of it, is super important. The environmental degradation that commercial livestock raising has caused over the last 150 years, although mostly in the last 50 years, is astounding and appalling, globally and here in America. That the Amazon rainforest loses 1,000s of acres of trees EVERY DAY to raise beef for McDonalds and other markets is insanity. I'd rather eat meat from an animal that lives among those trees than cut them down just to be able to raise a different kind of animal.

Josh
 
HGUNHNTR
...consuming chemicals that can harm the body.
...some people just care more about their health...
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You keep making it sound like eating wild game meat is some how healthier than eating meat that has been raised with the use of hormone, antibiotic, or other commercial treatments.

Is there ANY unbiased and scientific evidence to prove this? Or do you just FEEL like it is healthier?
 
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You keep making it sound like eating wild game meat is some how healthier than eating meat that has been raised with the use of hormone, antibiotic, or other commercial treatments.

Is there ANY unbiased and scientific evidence to prove this? Or do you just FEEL like it is healthier?
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You're on the same internet I am, you can look it up and decide for yourself.

Healthier? Yes. Unless you prefer your meat to be loaded with horomones and steriods.

Safer? Probably not. Wild game can carry some pretty nasty diseases and Chuck and Bubba cutting up their deer in their back yards probably isn't going to meet USDA guidelines...
 
Healthier? Yes.
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Okay, so you're new to the practice of debating, no biggie, but here's how it works. You made the claim, you back it up.
You can either link us to the studies funded by the OTA, or send us a study by someone without a vested interest in that industry. The later would be preferable. I've never claimed that the non-organic foods were any less, similarly, or more harmful than "organic" foods. I'm just asking that those who make a claim, back it up.
 
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Healthier? Yes. Unless you prefer your meat to be loaded with horomones and steriods.
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Very simply, hormones and steroids are just proteins. We need protein in our diet. I fail to see the danger, here. A protein of any sort should metabolize into its amino acids regardless if it's a muscle protein or a hormone of some kind.

There is much myth to this "organic" thing. :rolleyes: I eat what I shoot, don't misunderstand. And, I do like the constant collection of pork from my trap. What CAN make it healthier is that it isn't loaded with fat. If you are prone to high cholesterol, and I'm not, eating fatty meats from the farm isn't as healthy as lean meat. However, hormones don't scare me.
 
Gotta have some fat in the diet. Squirrel and rabbit don't have enough. Domestic pen-raised beef has too much, as near as I can tell from reading. Range beef and such as deer/elk/moose/caribou are pretty much just right.

And so I tell my anti-hunting acquaintances, "Hey, I hunt because I'm a natural food freak." That makes me an okay guy. (Like I care. :D)

Back forty or so years ago, there was some evidence that such growth stimulants as stilbestrol caused some sort of bad things for some people. IIRC, the USDA stopped its use because of problems tracked back to it.
 
just finished rabbit i shot in the morning, hmmm better then chicken I made stew out of it and I used potatoes, onions , carrots growing in my garden, all natural and organic ;-) and the rabbit was feeding from the garden that's why I had to stop his advances on my organic food ;-))
 
Well I may be judging the "organics" a little too harshly perhaps.
I am the 5th gen to live here on this farm and earn a living from it. I use every tool available to make a profit. We have never poured any steroids into our beef. Yes we have used antibiotics from time to time as needed for a healthy animal. Never part of daily management, as so many believe is common.
In our grain production we use pesticides: insecticide, herbicide, fungicide, and lots of fertilizer all at rates approved by the EPA. I am certified by the state as an applicator. I follow guidelines set by the IDOA, USDA, EPA, and US DOT. Records are kept. Audits are made. Best management prctices are followed to the letter.
Across the field I have a neighbor (ex-professor) who farms organically. His cattle get lots quality ragweed hay, a little weevil infested grain, and all the muddy water they can strain through their worn-off teeth. His grain fields are so weed infested and insect riddled that it isn't uncommon for him to just abandon them without harvesting. When he does harvest he hauls semi-loads of noxious weedseed away from his bins and dumps it into gullies eroded out on his farm. (makes for great quail hunting, lol)
I'm sure some of you get top-quality organic beef and grain.
I'm sure some of you don't.
IMHO...you're getting scammed.
 
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