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Persian Mauser- need opinion, advice, etc...

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shekarchi

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Hello all, I recently purchased a Persian Mauser and want to ask:
First, it this were your's- would you even consider doing any kind of restoration on the furniture and would doing ANY restoration work on the stock diminish its value?
Finally- what do you think it would bring if I ever decide to sell?
email me at [email protected] if you want to see more pix...
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Love the BRNOs

First, I'd just clean it up. From the photos I see, I find no real reason to mess with the stock... and yes, some restoration may very well affect value negatively. On the other hand, sometimes, some restoration will increase value. Sometimes.

Value on a sale? Well, it's a BRNO with some Farsi on it. 8mm (didn't all THAT ammo dry up fast? Well, it has been 70 years since WWII...:rolleyes:) $300-400 ish depending on market and ammo availability if all numbers match and the metal is in as good condition as the stock. A tad less for a mixmaster shooter. Throwing some 8mm ammo into the deal might assist in the sale. (FWIW)

Unissued Persians with matching bayonets are out there for the serious money collectors and more people seem to want German 98s and K98s than Czechs for some reason.

I would bet it's a fine shooter. BRNOs usually are.
 
I usually don't "restore" the wood on my milsurps. I have a 1918 British .303 Enfield that shows wear at the balance point from being carried. It's part of the charm. Any heavy sanding/refinishing does have the potential to reduce resale value. I'm not up on prices, but Baba Louie is in the ball park for sure.
 
First, I'd just clean it up. From the photos I see, I find no real reason to mess with the stock... and yes, some restoration may very well affect value negatively. On the other hand, sometimes, some restoration will increase value. Sometimes.

Value on a sale? Well, it's a BRNO with some Farsi on it. 8mm (didn't all THAT ammo dry up fast? Well, it has been 70 years since WWII...:rolleyes:) $300-400 ish depending on market and ammo availability if all numbers match and the metal is in as good condition as the stock. A tad less for a mixmaster shooter. Throwing some 8mm ammo into the deal might assist in the sale. (FWIW)

Unissued Persians with matching bayonets are out there for the serious money collectors and more people seem to want German 98s and K98s than Czechs for some reason.

I would bet it's a fine shooter. BRNOs usually are.
thanks- metal is in pristine condition as is the bore, and all numbers match. I think I'll leave as is- re. ammo, found plenty out there, new production and surplus. I had no problem finding brand new dies, brass, and 8mm bullets- cases use regular large rifle primers and IMR4064 is the preferred powder from what I have found.
thanks again for responding
 
I see no reason to mess with it at all. There are not that many Persians around and working on that rifle isn't improving anything.
 
Thanks for confirming my gut feeling. I just wish I could get rid of the dark stains which I am assuming are from cosmoline. Any suggestions?
 
Go over to the milsurps forums such as parallelx and read up on what they call stock cleaning. Several methods are available for removing the cosmoline while not destroying the original finish. You can also touch up the original finish to preserve your wood stock.

Many collectors do not want an original stock changed. But many original stocks have damage, be it oil or physical and need maintenance/repair. Not maintaining the stock will at some point end up in that stock's failure. Cosmoline or oil soaked into a stock can and will destroy the wood fibers of the stock over time, causing the stock to fall apart, shrink, become soft, etc.

Here is a couple links to what I consider to be reputable surplus rifle forums:

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/directory

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/index.php?sid=2f2b2b1b3d916c44fdc2cb05e7443be7

Both of these forums have very good stock care forums in them. I find the methods used at parallax board to be preferred for the preservation of the stock.

BTW, once upon a time I bought a Swedish Mauser with a stock that looked like three miles of bad road, totally oil soaked and looked like it was about to fall apart. All the colllectors advised against cleaning and/or refinishing. But looking at the stock, I realized it was on it's last legs and would soon fail. I stripped the cosmoline/grease/oil out of that stock. Once clean, the wood was still in good shape, but the finish had been destroyed by the cosmoline. I researched, found out the original finish and replaced the stocks finish. I was careful and resisted the urge to use sandpapers and instead used 0000 steel wood to do any "polishing" that needed doing to clean up splinters, rough areas, etc. Once done, the stock looked beautiful. I kept it for a couple years, shot it a time or two and sold it for my full asking price at a gun show. The show started at 8 AM in the morning. The rifle was gone by 8:30 AM. Two collectors came by and told me how I'd ruined the stock and how it was now worth no more than a sporter stock. Then a guy that wanted a Swedish Mauser came by. He picked the rifle up, looked it over, pulled out his wallet and bought that rifle and two others I had for sale (An Enfield #1 MkIII* [rebuilt from a barreled action] and a M95 8MM carbine [in exc/like new condition]). He paid cash, paid my full asking price and didn't even act like he was interested in dickering.

The moral of the story is: Some folks don't want anything restored, some folks love a fully restored original. Kinda like used cars. Some want factory original, some want restored factory original and some want crazy hot rodded old school cars. Myself, I love an exc/like new factory original, but I also love a properly restored (looks like it was rearsenaled) military surplus rifle where a rough gun was brought back into fighting trim and ready to go to war.
 
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Go over to the milsurps forums such as parallelx and read up on what they call stock cleaning. Several methods are available for removing the cosmoline while not destroying the original finish. You can also touch up the original finish to preserve your wood stock.

Many collectors do not want an original stock changed. But many original stocks have damage, be it oil or physical and need maintenance/repair. Not maintaining the stock will at some point end up in that stock's failure. Cosmoline or oil soaked into a stock can and will destroy the wood fibers of the stock over time, causing the stock to fall apart, shrink, become soft, etc.

Here is a couple links to what I consider to be reputable surplus rifle forums:

http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforums.yuku.com/directory

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/index.php?sid=2f2b2b1b3d916c44fdc2cb05e7443be7

Both of these forums have very good stock care forums in them. I find the methods used at parallax board to be preferred for the preservation of the stock.

BTW, once upon a time I bought a Swedish Mauser with a stock that looked like three miles of bad road, totally oil soaked and looked like it was about to fall apart. All the colllectors advised against cleaning and/or refinishing. But looking at the stock, I realized it was on it's last legs and would soon fail. I stripped the cosmoline/grease/oil out of that stock. Once clean, the wood was still in good shape, but the finish had been destroyed by the cosmoline. I researched, found out the original finish and replaced the stocks finish. I was careful and resisted the urge to use sandpapers and instead used 0000 steel wood to do any "polishing" that needed doing to clean up splinters, rough areas, etc. Once done, the stock looked beautiful. I kept it for a couple years, shot it a time or two and sold it for my full asking price at a gun show. The show started at 8 AM in the morning. The rifle was gone by 8:30 AM. Two collectors came by and told me how I'd ruined the stock and how it was now worth no more than a sporter stock. Then a guy that wanted a Swedish Mauser came by. He picked the rifle up, looked it over, pulled out his wallet and bought that rifle and two others I had for sale (An Enfield #1 MkIII* [rebuilt from a barreled action] and a M95 8MM carbine [in exc/like new condition]). He paid cash, paid my full asking price and didn't even act like he was interested in dickering.

The moral of the story is: Some folks don't want anything restored, some folks love a fully restored original. Kinda like used cars. Some want factory original, some want restored factory original and some want crazy hot rodded old school cars. Myself, I love an exc/like new factory original, but I also love a properly restored (looks like it was rearsenaled) military surplus rifle where a rough gun was brought back into fighting trim and ready to go to war.
Thanks for taking the time
I have thought about this long and hard and since deciding that this will not be sold in my lifetime I am going to have some limited restoration/preservation work done by a pro.
The guy who is probably going to work on it will be instructed to
1- keep all original markings/numbering etc as is.
2- no filler of any kind will be used
3- only work on dents and the narrow gouge on stock will be limited to light steaming and very light sanding
4-The color will not be altered
5-the work will concentrate on stains rather than dents or bruises
In order to keep it as subtle as possible
Of course I will look in the forums you mentioned and see what others say
After all it is 83 years old and I am not trying to make it look new. Just make it more beautiful without erasing the history
 
Light steaming for minor dents if you desire. A little murphys oil soap rubbed on with a very soft tooth brush for bad bad stains if they bother you. Honestly though I'd probably leave as is. The only time I suggest doing much restoration is if the damage could hinder function of the fire arm. I.E. cracked wrist.
 
Naw, you can still get surplus 8mm, its just not in stock at the wholesalers anymore.

Hit up the ammo guy at the next gun show. He will probably still have 1960s Romanian surplus on chargers.

That stuff usually doesn't get shot up - it gets horded by milsurp collectors and war reenactors. 95% of it is still laying around in its original boxes; you just need to convince the owner to part with it.
 
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