Pick a pair :) - New PS90

[Shipwreck]

Go get one

 

[kimberkid]

I bought my PS90 because ... well, just because

I shot 5-600 rounds through it and lost interest but hung on to it ... For me, the gun has all the ergonomics of a 2x6. I thought about SBR'ing it but I just couldn't bring myself to spend anymore money on it. I like the lack of recoil but without full-auto you don't realize the big advantage to it, and as a critter-getter the trigger is like any other bullpup ... horriable. The 50 round mag and straight down eject is its only selling points IMHO.

Then a few months ago I got the itch for an AR57 and built one ... kinda re-kindled the interest in the round ... I may do an SBR on it or have the extra length of the barrel made into a integral silencer ... and add a UBR stock

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[Jon_Snow]

That's a good looking brass-catcher you've got there.

 

[yongxingfreesty]

here is mine. i use the mag as a brass catcher. hehe

 

[yongxingfreesty]

 

[Shipwreck]

Mucho kewl

 

[68wj]

Anyone use this stuff? http://www.eliteammunition.net/5_7_ammunition.html

 

[Shipwreck]

No, sorry. I've only tried the factory ammo.

 

[sturmgewehr]

Nice rifles Shipwreck, but SBR those things!

 

[Dravur]

I noticed that at least one of the magazines looks like it is loaded with only 30 rounds.

Now, I don't know if this is still true, but it was when I got all my mags for my PS90..

The thirty round mags can be converted to 50 rounders by just taking out the block. The springs are the same.

I did it to mine and they work great as 50 rounders.

like I said, this was several years ago, not sure if they made changes.

 

[.zerocool.]

Idk if it's just me, but the 30 round spring doesn't look identical to the 50 round spring and I'm comparing both of them right now on my desk. I think the weight of the 30 round is a tad lighter than the 50 rounder to compensate for the 3in or so block inside the mag. I should give it a try though. I know the 10 rounders are waaaay diff springs, and when modifying a 50 or a 30 to a 10 round you get really inconsistent feeding, as I have noticed with a few mags I capped at 10 to make legal.

I know one thing though, the p90, ps90, and ar-57 are finicky as hell when it comes to mags, and rounds. Reason the clone mags are so prone to jamming, and reason reloads are as well. One thing our guns don't like is non factory fnh parts and ammo due to the lack of a gas system, and the reliance on pure blow back and mag spring push.


And btw, I'd like to see an uzi penetrate body armor as well as a 5.7x28 round. Just won't happen There is a reason the 5.7 round is called the "cop killer" round, and it's not because its a new round. It's because it's absolutely notorious for penetrating level 2 and 3 armor, and in some cases level 5 armor. Heck level 3 armor is rated to 7.62 in most cases and the 5.7 still manages to shear through it like butter. The bullet design is the culprit. It's nothing to do with fps or grains, everything to do with physical makeup of the bullet, mated with a specific fps of the round.

Dravur, as far as I'm aware, the p90 mags have not changed at all, besides the ar-57 mags, which theoretically identical to FNH mags in terms of design, qc, and consistency. It's the slew of "clone mags" that bring a wack amount of difference to the line up. Reason why clone mags have such a bad rep... they aren't FNH mags and never will be, regardless of exterior look. (plus, they are made in china, and are probably full of lead. Eeek.


and 68wj, I'd never ever run anything but factory ammo and mags in my guns. The 5.7 rifles and pistols are FINICKY with ammo and mags. Thus said, I don't think any owner of one would actually even consider the stuff. It's one thing to put junk through an ak or sks, but not an FNH or AR-57. It's like putting generic 87 in your lambo. Doesn't make sense. The best takes the best to make er purr.

 

[TechBrute]

Aside from my opinion that Aimpoint's tech is far superior to EOTech's, I can't see putting an EOTech on the PS90 since I like "cheek weld" not "chin weld."

 

[Shipwreck]

Well, I keep the mag I have loaded 100% of the time with just 40 rounds. I don't load it to the max.

As for the Eotech - I am left eye dominant and right handed. So, I prev liked the extra height of the eotech.

I had an MSAR until recently, though, and trained myself to finally use my right eye. With the mag clamp, I have a perfect cheek weld for the Eotech,

 

[happygeek]

It's because it's absolutely notorious for penetrating level 2 and 3 armor, and in some cases level 5 armor. Heck level 3 armor is rated to 7.62 in most cases and the 5.7 still manages to shear through it like butter. The bullet design is the culprit. It's nothing to do with fps or grains, everything to do with physical makeup of the bullet, mated with a specific fps of the round.

What's this level 5 of which you speak? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_vest only lists up to Level IV, at least as far as armor goes that normal people can stay mobile while wearing.

 

[TechBrute]

What's this level 5 of which you speak?

Duh, Level 5:

 

[.zerocool.]

Level 5 is the new dragon skinned armor. It doesn't classify as level 4, and since there is no specific level 5 YET (this will be the level 5 benchmark) it's kinda an unmarked armor. Let's put it this way, when future weapons tested it, they laid a grenade under it and detonated it. It was not penetrated. That's level 5. No level 4 on the market can do that... period. Not plates, not jackets. Nada.

It's so new there are no competitors quite yet. Once another company jumps on, you will see the actual name level 5 come out.

Haha good pic of the tank armor. That's level "badass" IMO. No numbers needed. haha. I'd like to see someone walk around with 2in plate. I hear knee caps exploding.

O, figured I'd mention, the dragon armor, is lighter than lots of level 4 armor. Armor is getting crazy... too bad it's illegal for 99% of the population to own *hmm, I wonder if gluing a bunch of lizards together would provide the same *

to add : Have you guys seen the future weapons IMI episode? Those new IMI tanks are INSANE!

 

[BobOfTheFuture]

I am a pretty big guy, and always looked at the p90 KNOWING it wouldnt work for me.

Last range trip someone had a ps90 there. I asked, picked it up and sighted it. The ergos are so perfect for me, its not funny. I sighted through the black unmagnified scope dealie it has it was was on target and steady before I even thought about it.

A cool gun. If I ever can just throw away that amount of money for anything, I will buy one.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Level 5 is the new dragon skinned armor. It doesn't classify as level 4, and since there is no specific level 5 YET (this will be the level 5 benchmark) it's kinda an unmarked armor.

Yeah, TV and Futureweapons aren't really the best sources of information. Their primary goal is to sell advertising by attracting viewers. Accurately conveying information is way down the list.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Armor is getting crazy... too bad it's illegal for 99% of the population to own

Body armor is not illegal for most folks to own. Most states only say that if you commit another crime while wearing body armor your penalty can go up. There are a few places that ban outright of course, you can probably guess the states by looking at their gun laws....

Obtaining good recent technology body armor is the problem, but it's legal to own for the most part.

 

[-v-]

Level 5 is the new dragon skinned armor. It doesn't classify as level 4, and since there is no specific level 5 YET (this will be the level 5 benchmark) it's kinda an unmarked armor. Let's put it this way, when future weapons tested it, they laid a grenade under it and detonated it. It was not penetrated. That's level 5. No level 4 on the market can do that... period. Not plates, not jackets. Nada.

So...you pritty much have no idea what you are talking about, yes? You also realize that the Army rejected that dragon-skin contraption because it actually offered less protection then current-issue body armor, yes? And had problems with the disk becoming unglued under ambient heat that could be expected in desert environments and slipping out of their pouches.

As for that grenade test, take a L III hard-armor plate, and do the same test, you'll find the results to be quite similar.

As for taking out the block from the 30-round sticks to make them 50, I believe that this has indeed been tossed around for almost as long as the PS90's been out. Plus, without the spring having to push cartridges against gravity, it does not have to be as beefy as a vertical 50-round mag.

 

[TechBrute]

I have one 50 round factory mag, and two converted factory mags. All 3 have been flawless, in that I have never had a malfunction. I only use FN factory ammo, though, and that may certainly make a difference.

 

[happygeek]

I looked up Dragon Skin here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin_(body_armor)) and apparently they lost their Level III rating and have not yet regained that rating from the NIJ. Level V isn't a NIJ rating, it was just something that Pinnacle Armor claimed to have achieved in their marketing. As -V- mentioned it also had issues with the heat in Iraq and Afghanistan and I've heard rumors that it didn't do so well with rifle rounds coming in from too far off of a 90 degree angle.

Wasn't the 5.7 designed for penetrating soft armor vests that 9mm doesn't, like Level IIA, II, and IIIA? Except that the AP 5.7 is no longer sold to us lowly civilians in the US?

Nice looking guns OP!