Just wanted to see what people thought about buying a pistol grip shotgun, like a Mossberg 500 Cruiser and then adding a Knoxx SpecOps stock afterwards. Is more cost efficient to do this, or should I just buy a 500/590 with a stock and then swap the original stock out with a Knoxx?
Pistol Grip, then aftermarket stock?
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chuckusaret
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Don't waste your money unless you just want the looks and not the function. The standard butt stock and fore end is the best set up for HD IMHO. I tricked out my 500 with all the after market junk and it was no longer functional for HD.Too heavy, rattled, sling caught on furniture, light became a target and required 100's of rounds fired to become accurate with it. The best way SIR, is Simple is Right
Ok, sounds good. I was just curious as to what most people did. I have an 870 20gauge, but wanted a 12g. I currently have 3 on my radar:
590 Special Purpose 9shot #50645
590 Special Purpose #50660
590A1 9shot #51660
Right now I'm leaning towards the A1. Had considered the 500 Tactical, but I'm not 100% sure about the PG.
590 Special Purpose 9shot #50645
590 Special Purpose #50660
590A1 9shot #51660
Right now I'm leaning towards the A1. Had considered the 500 Tactical, but I'm not 100% sure about the PG.
earlthegoat2
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Standard stocks are practical and functional and I would not worry about any aftermarket ones. If you want a speed feed or something like that I suppose that is OK as long as the geometry is similar.
Conversely there are tons of others out there that swear by Knoxx stocks. I personally think they are not worth it and complicate a very simple platform.
Conversely there are tons of others out there that swear by Knoxx stocks. I personally think they are not worth it and complicate a very simple platform.
If you want a Knoxx recoil reducing stock for a Mossberg get the "comp stock",
If you want a pistol grip to try get the speedfeed "witness protection"
Both of these stocks will work well with the Mossberg control layout which is not suited for a more vertical pistol grip design....
If you want a pistol grip to try get the speedfeed "witness protection"
Both of these stocks will work well with the Mossberg control layout which is not suited for a more vertical pistol grip design....
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I still find it faintly amusing when the folks who stoutly insist that Mossbergs have a far far superior control layout to lesser shotguns, insist on putting pistol grip stocks on them which preclude ready access to that superior safety location.
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I'm going to have to recommend against that one, unless you can find one in a gun store that will let you test-fit it to your gun (or if they have a really good return policy). Midway supposedly has those, but if you order one, you end up with what looks like a Rem 870 grip that got sent through the Moss 500 tooling. Completely unusable. I guess someone at Speedfeed made a huge mistake (since every single one at Midway is apparently like that). The only other stocking dealer I know of is Botach, and you really don't want to take your chances with them.
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That's why I tried getting a Speedfeed one from Midway, for my AOW. 3, in fact, one after the other. They were all unusable. After the third, I sent it back and said to exchange for a Pachmayr instead, and bill me the difference.
Much happier with that, the soft rubber really takes the edge off. And it's basically shaped like a standard DA revolver grip, so reaching the safety isn't any harder than cocking the hammer on a revolver.
Badger Arms
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If you want a PG stock, consider the Maverick 88 with the push-button safety. You can actually USE the safety that way. Only downside is the plastic trigger guard, but I have yet to see one that's failed. Metal trigger groups are overrated.
I also disagree that a PG stock is not preferable for Home Defense. For somebody with the muscle memory from shooting PG guns like the M16, FAL, etc., the PG stock is probably preferable.
I'll also add that from a RETENTION point of view, it's MUCH harder to take a shotgun away from somebody when it's got a pistol grip on it than when it's got a standard stock. I'm speaking about a PG stock, not a plain pistol grip. That stock gives you a lever that you can use with your body to retain the shotgun. Just my .02 cents. I was a long-time advocate of conventional stocks but I've converted.
I also disagree that a PG stock is not preferable for Home Defense. For somebody with the muscle memory from shooting PG guns like the M16, FAL, etc., the PG stock is probably preferable.
I'll also add that from a RETENTION point of view, it's MUCH harder to take a shotgun away from somebody when it's got a pistol grip on it than when it's got a standard stock. I'm speaking about a PG stock, not a plain pistol grip. That stock gives you a lever that you can use with your body to retain the shotgun. Just my .02 cents. I was a long-time advocate of conventional stocks but I've converted.
I've never heard of that before Ryan.
The one I have is made for the Mossberg and fits fine.....I can't remember if it's marked or not but the one I have on my 870 is marked "rem 870"
I also have a pachmayr and agree that it also works well with the Mossbergs.
If you want a vertical style pistol grip the 870 is the way to go.
I can't say that I've noticed too many people making that claim when they have installed pistol gripped stocks......I think most people just don't think of it when they are dreaming up their ideal shotgun.
It's hard to imagine someone setting up a mossberg with a vertical style pistol grip stock and then claiming that it's a superior control layout......makes no sense!
I have heard lot's of people say that the Mossberg controls, with a traditional stock, are superior and in some ways they might be true for lefties or people that prefer tang safeties.
I like the 870 because it allows more flexability in stock choice.
Well, that rules out horribly idiotic design decisions at Speedfeed. Bad batch then, apparently. The reviews at Midway tell the whole story. And it looks like I have a review on there, too. I had forgotten I wrote one.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=998600
It does look like they ran the wrong castings through their tooling. The distinct semi-circle thing was there, and they had the correct threads on the bolt, but the spot for the trigger assembly was square and had sharp edges, and the grip was far too narrow for the M500 receiver (but I assume the correct width for the narrower 870).
The safety isn't that big an issue if the gun is kept cruiser ready. What I like about the M500 is that you don't have to break your firing grip to switch to slugs. Just poke the slide release with the middle finger with a traditional stock, or thumb with a pistol grip (or trigger finger when left-handed and using a pistol grip). If you're left-handed and have unnaturally long index fingers (like that cop with the AR-15 magazine in backwards), the R870 might be just as fast. Otherwise, the M500 has a slight edge.
Badger Arms
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RyanM said:
Midway sells a conversion safety for left-handed use: http://www.midwayusa.com/Eproductpage.Exe/showproduct?saleitemid=463939
No, I meant the slide release, for selecting a slug. Put a slug in the tube, hit the release, rack the slide. The Remington 870 inherently takes longer and requires more manipulation of the weapon to do, since it requires moving your shooting hand off the grip (which is a huge no-no in some schools of thought on "tactical" shooting).
The R870 slide release at the front of the trigger guard on the left side (IIRC), so a righty is never going to be able to reach it with any finger without at least partially letting go of the grip. But a lefty with big hands might be able to. For a lefty with smaller hands, it may still be possible to reach by twisting the gun around in your grip, depending on the specific stock. But that's still not as fast or secure as just poking the release with your middle finger (or thumb, or index finger) like with an M500.
Badger Arms
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Gotcha. The Ithaca is reachable for me without a shift, (I'm tall and long-fingered) but on the Remington, I index my thumb and shift the rest of my grip, though my thumb is able to stay put.
I have an ati PG on a Mossberg 500 persuader and it works fine for me. Compared to a fully stocked gun its a lot easier maneuver around the house. I have thought about adding a folding stock just in case I wanted to take a long range shot but 25 yds or less I have no problem with the pistol grip only
If you insist that you need a PGO option, in IMHO:
1. If you are a small to medium built person like me (5'7", 150 lb), get a PGO Cruiser and add a short 12" LOP stock.
2. If your built can comfortably use the standard 14" LOP factory stock, then buy a Cruiser with stock and get an extra PG (Speedfeed?)..
It is always cheaper to buy a PG than a stock
1. If you are a small to medium built person like me (5'7", 150 lb), get a PGO Cruiser and add a short 12" LOP stock.
2. If your built can comfortably use the standard 14" LOP factory stock, then buy a Cruiser with stock and get an extra PG (Speedfeed?)..
It is always cheaper to buy a PG than a stock
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