Pistol Marksmanship Objectives

[krs]

kwhi43,

Your target would be "there" as you call it at 50 yards but at 25 yards on the NRA bullseye reduced target it would be only around an 80 point score. With competitors shooting scores of 90-95 in order to win their matches you'd have quite a ways to go before you would be "there".


Lighteningcrash,

You said: "I'll probably be doing some combination of the following when I'm not shooting 10mm ammo:
-22LR Conversion Kit"


You'd better check carefully into whether the EAA caliber conversion kits will fit your pistol as the EAA conversions are not for the entire Witness line. I discovered this when I thought to look into trying a conversion to .22 in my EAA Witness Elite Limited .38 Super pistol. It might just be a matter of the full length dust cover that my pistol has but their website does not specifically state that their conversions will fit either your Elite Match or my Elite Limited.


WWHDD
-What would Howdy Doody do?

 

[LightningCrash]

Re the 22 Conversion kit: I shot a fellow's CZ75 Kadet kit on his CZ75B and it functioned flawlessly. If at all possible I'd like to keep my frame and trigger and not be switching guns and grips and safety configurations, it seems like a lot of unnecessary jumping around. I eventually plan on picking up a Ruger 22/45 for fun, but who knows when that will be.
Re the 22 Conversion kit fitting: Limiteds are different frames than the Match. Matches are just regular Full Steel WF Frames. Some have said that the conversion kit needed fitting to function on the Match, some have had no problems whatsoever.
Eventually I want all of the calibers of Witness, preferably in Longslides (except 38Sup). If they don't fit at first, well, I have machinists in my family.

Last night I cleared my Match, hid the ammo, dropped in some spent 10mm casings and did a bit of dry fire. I saw some trigger jerking at first but it significantly smoothed out after a few minutes.
I tried out an iso stance, putting that reverse pressure on my right hand really locks down the platform.

I think I did shoot a target at 10-15ft the last time I went to the range, I'll have to dig it out and see how it looked.

Another Witness EM guy here in OKC is going to give me some instruction the next time I go to the range.

 

[LightningCrash]

Well I haven't been to the range again yet, but I did clean out my range bag today and came across my targets.

labeled targets are at 15ft. (there's a stray on the 15ft, the gas from the muzzle was making the target rock on the hanger )
unlabeled at 25ft
1-2 seconds between shots

i've since painted my front sight neon green so i can actually see it. the standard steel Witnesses come with white dot front sights, i don't get why they didn't do anything to the Match.







Maybe when I quit making babies I will have some more money to buy ammo.

 

[Rob Pincus]

Lightning,

First: I'm glad you loved the video...

As for "marksmanship", keep in mind that the DVD you have is referencing defensive pistol use. If it is one of the core Combat Focus Shooting DVDs, it probably has a section discussing the concept of "Combat Accuracy". There is no "good enough". Keep pushing yourself to get better. That means increasing both speed & precision as much as possible under as many plausible circumstances as possible.

-RJP

 

[CWL]

Different objectives for different people.

My goal is combat accuracy, not paper at the end of a lane. 'Real time' means more to me than 'slow fire'.

If you can keep everything inside the "alpha" zone of standard IDPA targets 10-yards away while moving, you're not doing too bad.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Pistol Marksmanship Objectives

I rate most shooters as Good, Decent and Needs Work. This is just a personal thing and is somewhat arbitrary.

Good, IMO, is someone that can consistently shoot two to two and a half inch groups at 25 yards and someone that can quickly hit COM (about 6-8 inches) with all shots under almost all conditions, out to about ten yards, with most any handgun.

Decent, IMO, is someone that, most of the time, can fairly quickly hit what they are aiming at.

Needs Work, is anyone that's not in the first two groups. Most of us fall in this catagory.

An example of Needs Work is this favorite 52 yard steel target. I use it for a small pistol target. Usually I prefer to get all shots in the 18 inch silhouette but mostly, depending on the gun, just staying on the 2x2 foot plate is Decent.

Micro Desert Eagle.
52 yards. Standing, two hands.
19 shots. 2 went low. Misses aren't acceptable, so needs work.


S&W 2 inch 38 Special.
52 yards. Standing, two hands.
50 shots. 2 missed. Needs work, misses are not acceptable in 50 shots with a 2 inch revolver.


52 yard range.


I place accuracy above speed, so I consider this as decent shooting but the speed needs work. You can't miss fast enough to win.

 

[Lovesbeer99]

Start with the basics. You can buy and read the NRA Basic Pistol book, you don't have to take a class (if you can afford the class, give it a shot).
Use the NRA/Winchester marksmanship to set your goals.

Once you have a very good foundation, read the Brian Enos book, "Practical Shooting; Beyound Fundamentals". This is the best book on how to get from basic to advanced.

Finally - I don't agree on the concept of first deciding on what type of shooting you want to do at this stage. If you wish to become a specialist in a year of so, then go for it, but for now work on the basics at various distances out to 25 yards. Then if you want better groups, work on that. If you want speed, work on that. But right now it the fundamentals that are important.

 

[John E.]

Reaper, is that target for printing on a standard 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper?

Is it designed for any particular distance?

Thanks!