Pizza man fires on attackers, kills one

[ShadyScott999]

your point?

 

[INMY01TA]

My point is I could care less that Pizza Hut doesn't let him carry.

 

[ShadyScott999]

Still lost. Care to elaborate?

 

[TexasRifleman]

My point is I could care less that Pizza Hut doesn't let him carry.

You must have taken a wrong turn. This is a pro Second Amendment forum.

You're certainly free to think whatever you want, but why you bother coming to a pro gun forum is frankly beyond me.

Couldn't you find a forum with folks more aligned with your way of thinking?

This is a place for people who DO care to come together and try to find ways to make progress.

 

[INMY01TA]

Heh, I am progun. I make Hannity seem like he's sittin on the left on most issues. If you can't deal with the fact I like Pizza Hut maybe you don't belong on a public forum at all...

 

[TexasRifleman]

If you can't deal with the fact I like Pizza Hut maybe you don't belong on a public forum at all...

I am questioning how you can financially support a company that has a policy against its employees protecting themselves and even go so far as to say you don't care simply because they make good pizza.

Can you explain the disconnect? You support this company with your money, you don't care about their policies, yet you claim to be pro gun/pro self defense. You say you "don't care".

What am I missing here? Seriously, I am truly curious how you can get to both decisions. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[INMY01TA]

When the state I live in comes around and decides that any law abiding citizen has a right to defend themselves (in or out of their home) then maybe I'll worry about Pizza Hut. I find it laughable that some of you all whine that you can't carry on a certain side of the floor at a certain restaurant. You all don't know how good you have it. I got bigger fish to fry. Maybe I'll just quit paying state income tax.....

 

[Double Naught Spy]

“This sends a loud message to the criminal element — you don’t know who’s going to be armed and who’s not going to be armed when you go to rob someone.”

No, it really doesn't, at least not on a grand scale. We want to believe that it does, but like the waves of the ocean, the criminal element is relentless. They figure they can beat the odds, that it won't happen to them (sort of like most other people). So a criminal gets killed. His buddies just think he go careless. No big deal.

Let say that approximately 4700 people are killed by intended victims each year while committing violent crimes. That means that a bad guy is killed only once out of 300 violent crimes (2007 violent crime amount was 1,408,337 crimes). That really isn't much incentive to stop. Your chances go down if you commit a violent crime as part of a group.

Then again, it isn't like Irmo is the hot spot of crime and having a population of about 11,500 people. In 2007, the only had 42 violent crimes including robberies. That is less than one violent crime a week. Heck, from 2002-2007, Irmo had only 1 murder. Irmo is well below the national average for crime. http://www.city-data.com/city/Irmo-South-Carolina.html

My point is that it is going to take a lot more pro-active responses before the criminal element finally gets the unmistakeable message that the odds are not in their favor.

 

[KBintheSLC]

The dead youth, Sturgill, supposedly had a good reputation and people whom detectives are interviewing are surprised that he might have been involved in a robbery, Metts said.

There is a first time for everything... and a last time... sometimes they are one and the same.

 

[kilo729]

Apparently if you don't boycott a company because someone on an internet forum claims they have a policy against drivers carrying concealed, then you're against guns and self defense!

Makes complete sense to me, you obviously can only defend yourself with a gun. So not having a gun leaves you completely defenseless!

 

[INMY01TA]

Personally I think if you're even old enough to own a handgun and work at Pizza Hut you got bigger problems. Not a job I'd worry about too much. I know, I actually used to work there when I was 15. If I had a CCW and they told me I couldn't carry there, I'd do it anyway. As he did.

 

[jws527]

I have no trouble believing or understanding the delivery guy's story. I grew up in an affluent suburban environment where kids were posing for photos during Rotary breakfasts by day and then selling hard drugs and smashing car windows (or worse) by night. Naturally, nobody would suspect them of these things because they were "such good kids."

Why? Because they're "bored," because they can, or simply just because they've been handed the world on a silver platter and feel they can do whatever to whomever that they please.

 

[INMY01TA]

I am questioning how you can financially support a company that has a policy against its employees protecting themselves and even go so far as to say you don't care simply because they make good pizza.

Can you explain the disconnect? You support this company with your money, you don't care about their policies, yet you claim to be pro gun/pro self defense. You say you "don't care".

I work for a company that won't let anyone defend themselves, nationwide. They pay all my bills and everything I own. Am I not a true gun owner according to the guy with 9,000+posts on this site if I don't quit and go job hunting?

 

[kilo729]

^
Pretty much.

 

[DCortez]

Glad this guy was able to defend himself. Unfortunately, those kids just found out how stupid stuff can lead to more serious stuff.

 

[Art Eatman]

Folks go to getting personal with their posts, I go to closing threads.

One warning...

 

[TexasRifleman]

I work for a company that won't let anyone defend themselves, nationwide. They pay all my bills and everything I own. Am I not a true gun owner according to the guy with 9,000+posts on this site if I don't quit and go job hunting?

That's not what I said. What I said was that gun owners should refuse to spend money with companies that fire employees who choose to defend themselves, and they should let those companies know why.

If that happens often enough perhaps those companies will rethink their policies. Public pressure works.

No one said anything about quitting jobs, certainly not in this economy.

Quiet tolerance of these kinds of things pretty much guarantees that nothing will ever change. Your exact words were "don't care". How can you not care?

 

[Neverwinter]

What a load a ****, they are just building him up to be a martyr. Blah blah, he was turning his life around, he had intentions of serving his country...yeah right, an honor roll student involved in a mugging for a pizza?

I have been around enough honor roll students to know that grades have nothing to do with a person's ethics.

 

[bthest86]

Personally I think if you're even old enough to own a handgun and work at Pizza Hut you got bigger problems.

I work at a pizza hut as a driver. I'm 22 and I'm old enough to own and carry a handgun. Also, I bet that I take home more money than you or most people think a "pizza guy" does. It can be a very lucrative job at times.

Maybe there is some context I'm missing but I certainly feel insulted by your post.

 

[INMY01TA]

I work at a pizza hut as a driver. I'm 22 and I'm old enough to own and carry a handgun. Also, I bet that I take home more money than you or most people think a "pizza guy" does. It can be a very lucrative job at times.

Maybe there is some context I'm missing but I certainly feel insulted by your post.

I said I like pizza hut and not gonna argue about it anymore. Why don't you argue with Texas Rifleman yourself then.

 

[bthest86]

I'm not talking about you eating there. I work at one so I have no room to say anything.

I responded to you saying anyone over 21 who works there has "bigger problems." Well, that's me I guess. If you meant it another way then please explain. If that's just you're opinion then so be it but otherwise you'll just have to excuse me for responding to it in a negative manner.

 

[meef]

Here's a thought....

Pizza Hut has a policy that says employees can't carry weapons while on the job.

If a person finds that policy unacceptable, maybe they shouldn't work for Pizza Hut?

 

[bthest86]

Or ignore the policy and accept that you'll be fired if you ever have to shoot an attacker.

Average Joe would be unemployed all his life if he avoided every single employer who had a policy he disagreed with. Especially over policies regarding the carrying of guns.

 

[Tennesseean]

If a person finds that policy unacceptable, maybe they shouldn't work for Pizza Hut?

That or just carry anyways, and be responsible enough to accept the possible consequences of your actions, all the while doing what you can to change the corporate policy (going through the ol' chain of command to corporate), assuming that alone doesn't get you fired.

Not everyone can afford to quit their day job just because the company -or state of residence, for that matter- has policies they don't like.

I understand the corporate position as well. In a super-litigious society such as ours, they can't promote or condone self defense; it's a CYA maneuver to protect them from lawsuits. Let me put it this way: if you shoot someone in self defense, and perhaps 1 round goes errant and hits someone else or his/her property, you are responsible for that errant round (and rightly so). That person can sue you to get you to pay damages (and rightly so). Now if you're on company time, performing company-related duties, and you accidentally shoot someone/thing, well... it's just no surprise that whoever owns that company will be very upset and very much sued along with you.

 

[TAB]

Or ignore the policy and accept that you'll be fired if you ever have to shoot an attacker.

and have "fired for violating weapons policy" fallow you for the rest of your life. Not many Employers are going to hire, after they see that.

Average Joe would be unemployed all his life if he avoided every single employer who had a policy he disagreed with. Especially over policies regarding the carrying of guns.

Lots of employers have no weapons policy what so ever. Hell, you could aways start your own biz...