beag_nut
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"I feel warm and fuzzy inside today"
As well you should. A 6" GP is probably unmatched. I got one, too.
"I feel warm and fuzzy inside today"
As well you should. A 6" GP is probably unmatched. I got one, too.
plane old GP100
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rswartsell
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And just how many 27's (or Colt Mk IIIs) have you used enough with heavy loads to shoot them out of time? This a question of degrees and my point is does it make a real practical difference? I assume for the 27 vs GP-100 issue we will need to see the first GP-100s turn 80 or so before we know. I think that there is a lot of overstatement bought hook line and sinker for those who need to feel they own something in some way superlative at the price of a Ruger.
41 Rem Mag
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My GP100 is a 4" in 327 Federal Mag. my wife bought me a couple of years ago, I had no idea how much I was going to enjoy it, both the gun and the caliber. I see that the offering on the 327 is dwindling, I hope it stays around I love shooting it.
rswartsell
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Thanks DPris,
I do feel so much better now that I have your permission.
I do feel so much better now that I have your permission.
rswartsell
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DPris,
My perception of what you have done here is a bit different. Yes, you have avoided sarcasm, by implication;
means that opinions that do not agree with yours are based on inferior material. I haven't done the digging that I could to get the gun trade, informed and experienced published articles that heralded the introduction of the Mk III Colts as the strongest actions available in the world (circa 1969) but I could.
I'm not doing that because that kind of internet pissing contest isn't my point at all. Mine is simply that you are taking a theoretical engineering problem to predict that the "new" Ruger design is superior to competitors with a wildly overpressure load.
That has nothing in the world to do with whether a Smith Model 27 should be avoided as the choice for .357 loads suitable for feral hog. You want personal experience? OK, done. I have not one time required a GP-100 for hog, I have made due with all 11 with a 686-4 and a Dan Wesson 15-2 and don't know of a single reason that I would have needed a Ruger.
I personally would have felt blessed with the choice of a 27 or a Python. The periodic maintenance of Pythons having nothing to do with occasional heavy hog loads and the statements here having everything to do with the misunderstanding of that fine old action.
You have been caught in overstatement and you are trying to claim the high ground, more informed than the unwashed masses. You just fall a bit short of that IMHO.
My perception of what you have done here is a bit different. Yes, you have avoided sarcasm, by implication;
means that opinions that do not agree with yours are based on inferior material. I haven't done the digging that I could to get the gun trade, informed and experienced published articles that heralded the introduction of the Mk III Colts as the strongest actions available in the world (circa 1969) but I could.
I'm not doing that because that kind of internet pissing contest isn't my point at all. Mine is simply that you are taking a theoretical engineering problem to predict that the "new" Ruger design is superior to competitors with a wildly overpressure load.
That has nothing in the world to do with whether a Smith Model 27 should be avoided as the choice for .357 loads suitable for feral hog. You want personal experience? OK, done. I have not one time required a GP-100 for hog, I have made due with all 11 with a 686-4 and a Dan Wesson 15-2 and don't know of a single reason that I would have needed a Ruger.
I personally would have felt blessed with the choice of a 27 or a Python. The periodic maintenance of Pythons having nothing to do with occasional heavy hog loads and the statements here having everything to do with the misunderstanding of that fine old action.
You have been caught in overstatement and you are trying to claim the high ground, more informed than the unwashed masses. You just fall a bit short of that IMHO.
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I know a retired GA State Trooper who had to have his issue Highway Patrolman rebuilt twice.
The Smith N frames were originally designed for a black powder round, .44 Spl.
.44 Spl just happens to be my favorite revolver cartridge.
As to the comment of a Ruger Redhawk .357 being "maybe" tougher than a Smith N frame, I must point out that NOBODY makes "S&W Only" loads.
"Ruger Only" loads are specifically NOT for Smiths, due to the pressures/recoil forces generated. The Smiths can't handle it. They will either fail in a dramatic fashion, or they will wear out prematurely. The Rugers, TCs and Colt Anacondas will not.
The solid frame design of the Ruger DA revolvers IS part of why they are so strong.
When you cut out a section of a gun frame (for a sideplate), you are my taking away from the strength and rigidity of the gun.
I like Colt, Ruger, AND Smith. I have owned all three. They are all wonderful in their own ways.
However, the strength of Ruger revolvers is well documented and is one of the reasons I picked a Redhawk for my 7.5" hunting revolver, and a .45 BH for my hog backup revolver.
It's also part of why I picked the GP100 for my "shoot the snot out of it" .357 revolver.
I actually like Pythons, Mk3s, and K frames better, but they won't last as long as the GP will, with full power magnum ammo.
I don't think you'd hurt the N frame OR the Python with hot .357 ammo. BUT, a Ruger WILL hold up better to lots of shooting with heavy loads.
How many bullets can you stack in the barrel of a Colt or Smith .357 barrel before it blows? It has been tested and documented.
How many does it take for a Ruger? (trick question, since the Ruger never failed)
If Rugers weren't damned strong, they wouldn't have heavy loads designed for them, that Smiths can't live with.
And, to be honest, do YOU want to take a nice, old Smith or Colt into the woods to hunt hogs?
I don't.
Those old workhorses are getting harder to come by, and so are their parts.
The last thing I would do with them is drag them into the woods.
Then again, a .357 is nowhere near ideal for big hogs.
If you're shooting little 200 pound and smaller piglets, it's fine.
when you're running into 500+ pounders, something bigger is called for.
The Smith N frames were originally designed for a black powder round, .44 Spl.
.44 Spl just happens to be my favorite revolver cartridge.
As to the comment of a Ruger Redhawk .357 being "maybe" tougher than a Smith N frame, I must point out that NOBODY makes "S&W Only" loads.
"Ruger Only" loads are specifically NOT for Smiths, due to the pressures/recoil forces generated. The Smiths can't handle it. They will either fail in a dramatic fashion, or they will wear out prematurely. The Rugers, TCs and Colt Anacondas will not.
The solid frame design of the Ruger DA revolvers IS part of why they are so strong.
When you cut out a section of a gun frame (for a sideplate), you are my taking away from the strength and rigidity of the gun.
I like Colt, Ruger, AND Smith. I have owned all three. They are all wonderful in their own ways.
However, the strength of Ruger revolvers is well documented and is one of the reasons I picked a Redhawk for my 7.5" hunting revolver, and a .45 BH for my hog backup revolver.
It's also part of why I picked the GP100 for my "shoot the snot out of it" .357 revolver.
I actually like Pythons, Mk3s, and K frames better, but they won't last as long as the GP will, with full power magnum ammo.
I don't think you'd hurt the N frame OR the Python with hot .357 ammo. BUT, a Ruger WILL hold up better to lots of shooting with heavy loads.
How many bullets can you stack in the barrel of a Colt or Smith .357 barrel before it blows? It has been tested and documented.
How many does it take for a Ruger? (trick question, since the Ruger never failed)
If Rugers weren't damned strong, they wouldn't have heavy loads designed for them, that Smiths can't live with.
And, to be honest, do YOU want to take a nice, old Smith or Colt into the woods to hunt hogs?
I don't.
Those old workhorses are getting harder to come by, and so are their parts.
The last thing I would do with them is drag them into the woods.
Then again, a .357 is nowhere near ideal for big hogs.
If you're shooting little 200 pound and smaller piglets, it's fine.
when you're running into 500+ pounders, something bigger is called for.
Snake Plisskin
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I just picked up this plain jane 5" GP100 today, I am liking it !!!
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Backpacker33
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I have an early GP100 that I took reluctantly. Funny thing; you mention Pythons. Our oldest son is professional military with 4 tours in "The Desert." I was proud as punch to put a newly acquired, and my first, Python on the table with the GP100, expecting him to praise the Python. HAH! After putting a dozen rounds through each he proclaimed the GP100 as the better!
I do like its sights better than the Python's. It has a bit more space on either side of the front sight which makes it easier for me to shoot accurately. Old eyes, you know.
I also really like the looks of a 6" blue GP100. It has a very purposeful look, to me.
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I do like its sights better than the Python's. It has a bit more space on either side of the front sight which makes it easier for me to shoot accurately. Old eyes, you know.
I also really like the looks of a 6" blue GP100. It has a very purposeful look, to me.
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Backpacker33
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HEY JAYMO!
Take me hog hunting!
I have relatives near Lenox GA, who I visit from time to time.
I only had one other time when I could hunt hogs. I was stationed at Laredo Tx AFB in 1968 and went with some other USAF pilot trainees who were invited to a ranch to hunt hogs. Most of us just got drunk. But, sober or drunk, we never saw a hog.
STILL lookin' for my chance!
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Take me hog hunting!
I have relatives near Lenox GA, who I visit from time to time.
I only had one other time when I could hunt hogs. I was stationed at Laredo Tx AFB in 1968 and went with some other USAF pilot trainees who were invited to a ranch to hunt hogs. Most of us just got drunk. But, sober or drunk, we never saw a hog.
STILL lookin' for my chance!
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