Pleasant Remington Surprise

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My "new" Remington and a question

(haha got the subject idea from the Savage thread)I had a Remington 700 BDL in a 30-06 on lay-away at the pawn shop for a couple months, and picked it up today. It was immaculate condition. No scratches, no blemishes, no nothing. Looked NIB other than the fact the rear sight was gone, which I would have done anyway. Paid $500. Which is what local ads generally put them at or about. $450-$550 typically used. Dumbie me didn't think to run the serial numbers, BEFORE I bought it. Well on the way home I called Remington and had them run them (then also checked via barrel stamp code when I got home). I was thinking well crap, I probably got one of the "new crappy" 700s. Turns out, it's a 'like new' Nov 1992 model. Not OLD but at least not one of the newer models people whine about.


Which trigger style does a 1992 have? Were they the old 3 screws, relatively easy to adjust if you know what you're looking at ones?
 
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(from the guy that did the Savage Surprise thread LOL)

The gun i got rid of was a "new-last-year" Remington 700 ADL, what a POS. i was getting 5-6" groups at 100 yards.

Glad you found a good older one, congrats!
 
I also have a 1992 Remington 700 and the trigger is a 3 screw style and is easy to adjust.
CApighunter
 
CApighunter said:
I also have a 1992 Remington 700 and the trigger is a 3 screw style and is easy to adjust.
CApighunter
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Yeah I tore it down lastnight and looked at it. Simple, I adjusted it. It was maybe 4-5lbs before, but I moved it down to a shade below 2.5.
 
Make sure you test your adjustments for safety by cycling the bolt HARD a couple of dozen times and rapping the butt on the ground a few times as well. Once you're sure it's safe and has the feel that you like, use a little white nail polish on the threads to lock 'em down and make sure it doesn't readjust itself over time.
 
+1

I had a 40X and the trigger would sometimes not catch the sear/striker. Ended up with a Jewell trigger to remedy these issues and give repeatable trigger pull. Beware the possibility of an UID.
 
I am amazed that folks are having that much trouble with Remington 700s. I have bought two of them in the last 2-3 years. One is in 308 Win and the other in 243 Win...both are sub-MOA guns at 300 yards, with no major trigger issues. Only issue is the triggers were a little heavy even when adjusted down fully using the factory adjustment screw. I had the trigger on the 308 worked by a gunsmith, and have left the 243 set at around 4 lbs pull.
 
Yep, tested it as many ways as I could think of and have heard of and it passed with flying colors.
 
Another non hater of the newer Remington 700s. I purchased a new Remington 700 AAC SD about a year ago. From everything I'd heard and read, I figured the first thing I'd have to do with it was trash the Xmark Pro trigger and replace it. To my surprise, it wasn't bad at all. It adjusted down to about three pounds and is reasonably crisp. It's not the best trigger I have, but it's certainly nothing like the worthless boat anchor I was expecting.
 
GBExpat:
So you're saying that I can reasonably expect five inch groups at 1000 yards with my .257 Roberts AI since it shoots half inch groups at 100 yards?
 
GBExpat:
So you're saying that I can reasonably expect five inch groups at 1000 yards with my .257 Roberts AI since it shoots half inch groups at 100 yards?
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Bullet flight is ballistic in nature, therefore, all things being equal, a "sub-MOA gun" at 300yds is a "sub-MOA gun" at all reasonable ranges for that cartridge.

If you are shooting sub-MOA at 300yds, the pattern traveled by those bullets both before & after the 300 yard point is going to be sub-MOA.
 
In my experience, all things are not equal.
Wind, slight bullet imperfections and minor shot to shot variations in muzzle velocity are all magnified as distance from the muzzle increases.
Bullet dispersion over distance is not a linear function.
That's why many highpower competitors will use thrown charges in the closer stages but go to all weighed charges at 600 and beyond.

If you don't believe me, take a rifle that consistently shoots one inch groups at 100 yards and fire some groups at 600 yards, if you can consistently shoot six inch groups, you have both excellent ammunition and great wind doping skills.

Then try it again at 1000 yards...

Competitions were held 130 years ago at that range with black powder rifles and plain lead bullets, if they could do it back then, 1000 yards must be a "reasonable" range for just about any modern high powered rifle.
 
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Bullet flight is ballistic in nature, therefore, all things being equal, a "sub-MOA gun" at 300yds is a "sub-MOA gun" at all reasonable ranges for that cartridge.

If you are shooting sub-MOA at 300yds, the pattern traveled by those bullets both before & after the 300 yard point is going to be sub-MOA.
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Oh, but if it were only true.;) Bullet flight characteristics become different as velocity increases/decreases. If you ever shot in long range competition you would see that a sub-MOA rifle at 100 yards is clearly not a sub-MOA rifle at LR.

Don
 
A "sub-MOA gun" at any range is a "sub-MOA gun" at all ranges.
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Okay, reading your last interpretation, I'll agree about the gun. I suppose it is truly the performance of the rifle and shooter out past 300-500 yards that everyone is talking about.

However, I must also agree, all things are never equal...if they were, I'd be a national level competitor! But then, I wouldn't have anything to shoot for (no pun intended).
 
We have a 1992-production year Remington 700 in .243.

It's one of my favorite rifles. Laser accurate. It's a shame they don't make them like that anymore. And it's a lowly ADL. I've slain more SC whitetails with it than any other rifle.
 
I have Rem. 700s from 1975 in 30-06 and 1998 in 260 Rem. Both shoot one hole clover leafs at 100 yards. But both have after market stocks. So, if I had to complain about the newer 700s, I would say Remington needs to use a stock with a bedding block that free floats the barrels. They're not doing themselves any good by selling them with cheap plastic stocks.
 
I have a 700 BDL in .30-06 I bought new in 1992. With my handloads, it is one of the most accurate rifles I own.
 
@GBExpat:
While your statement that
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"A "sub-MOA gun" at any range is a "sub-MOA gun" at all ranges."
May be true..

It doesn't have any real correlation with your earlier post that::
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" If you are shooting sub-MOA at 300yds, the pattern traveled by those bulletst both before & after the 300 yard point is going to be sub-MOA."

That is WAY different from your more recent claim that it's only the rifles intrinsic accuracy that you were refering to.

You originally said that the bullets path would remain sub MOA.
That is incorrect.

By the way riflemen call them "groups" not "patterns".
"Patterns" are what happens when you' don't know how to shoot a rifle or your scope mounts get loose.

Implying that others are either stupid or ignorant by using belittleing terms like (Duh!) just because they question your claims isn't very "High Road".
 
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