Please direct me to a good riffle

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shepsan

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Please direct me to a good rifle

Although I have owned shotguns and handguns, I have no experience with rifles.

I have a CCW and carry a 1911. A Remington 870 is my house defense.

I want to obtain a good high powered riffle to shoot target and in the future hunt deer.

Would appreciate some direction. What riffle, what caliber, what scope? Willing to pay up to $3K.
 
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For $3k you can buy one very good sporting rifle. Or you can buy several very good sporting rifles. Or you can buy part of one very good sporting rifle. Most bolt action sporting rifles run in the $600-800 range. But an Ed Brown will wipe out your $3k, and you will need another $2k for a Dakota African grade or an engraved Merkel.

First, you have to get some idea of the parameters. What action type do you want? Semi-auto, bolt action, lever action, pump action are the choices, but some states ban use of semi-autos or limit magazine capacity, so make sure what you can use in your area.

Do you want a pure sporter configuration, or do you fancy a military style "black rifle"? Do you like nice wood, or prefer plastic for a stock? What caliber? There are some calibers generally thought of as "deer cartridges", such as .30-30, .308., and .30-'06, but a lot of hunters use other calibers. Are you sensitive to recoil? How much will the gun be used for target work as opposed to hunting? Most rifles intended for pure target work are far too heavy for hunting, and most light hunting rifles are not accurate or consistent enough for precise target shooting.

I suggest buying a copy of the 2004 Gun Digest (available at most book stores) and looking over the rifle section. Then go to several gun dealers and gun shows and look at the selection. Handle as many rifles as you can. Talk to friends and ask if you can fire their rifles. Selection of a firearm is a personal matter, not too different from selection of a car or a spouse. So you will probably get about as many suggestions here as you will get replies. Each will reflect the choice of the person responding, and each is the right rifle for that person. But you will need to make your own choice.

Jim
 
You might want to consider a .22lr bolt action rifle first. Great for working on technique, and also familiarizing yourself with rifles (developing preferances, choosing accessories, etc.). Several good ones available (do a search on this forum). I would go with a CZ 452 personally. You should still be plenty under your spending limit to get a great rifle. Since I don't hunt, I'll leave the advice regarding caliber, optics, etc. to those with experience in that area. HTH and good shooting.
 
1911,870, Mauser 98 in .308Win (or modern rendition of 98 Mauser action) . Then you'd have the best 'three guns' and be ready for anything. Yeah I'd throw in a good .22 like the Ruger 10-22 and maybe a couple hundred more guns to spice up life!:D
 
Or a Remington 700 in an appropriate caliber. .308 is a well-respected caliber, noted for accuracy and inexpensive ammo. That's what I have.

If you want a little less recoil though, you could go for .243. Or .260 Rem.
 
I'd suggest you #1 get a good quality .22 and learn to use it well, and then #2 get a quality .308 and all the appropriate reloading gear, and use the rest of your $3k to learn learn learn. You don't need to drop $3K on a rifle in order to shoot well...what you need is time behind the rifle.
 
Forgive the picky-ness, but rifle only has one "F."

If someone gave me 3K and told me to get a rifle, I'd go for an M1A and lots and lots of Aussie or Port ammo. Can't help w/ the scope, tho. I've always been an iron sight man myself. If you want a bolt, I love Savage 110's in 30.06. Just my .02. I'd say Steve Smith and Jim Keenan have it nailed down pretty well.
 
shepsan,
Considering what you're willing to spend, I'd buy a decent $1,000 or less bolt action rifle in .308, .270 Winchester, or 30-06; Ruger, Remington, Wincherster, Savage (with an Accutrigger), Sako, CZ, or Tikka all come to mind. Maybe even a Weatherby or Cooper. Then I'd top it with superlative optics; a Swarovski, Burris, Weaver Grand Slam or Leupold scope, probably in something like 4x-14x. The Swarovski is the most expensive, the Weaver is probably the least.
But, considering you're just starting with rifles, I'd follow some of the advice posted above. Get a really nice .22 rifle, I think the CZ-452 is your best bet. Follow that with a Ruger, Savage, or CZ rifle and good optics and you're in business.
JohnMc
 
For 3K I would get

A CMP Garand
~$575

A CMP 1903
~$400

A Win Mod 70 Classic Compact with a Leupold 2x - 7x compact scope in .308
~$800

A Marlin guide gun With a 1.5x - 5x scope
~$650
A Marlin 1894C
~$400


total ~$2825

BA/UU/R

Buy Ammo/ Use Up/ Repeat
 
Well, you started off by telling us why and what purpose you wanted the rifle for. Thats step #1. You say target shooting, and then deer hunting with it. For 3K you could have just about any rifle you wanted, but honestly i would not even consider that, since this will be your first rifle. I'm not saying get something thats cheap and unreliable, but being your first, you dont really need a custom McBros. Rifle either. If your going to be hunting with it you dont really want a 15 pound target rifle, but if your going to be at the range alot you dont want a pencil barrel either. Remington makes a rifle called the LTR (Light Tactical Rifle). Forget that it says tactical, its synthetic, and only 7lbs. Its got a 20" fluted barrel, which would make very light for carrying in the woods, yet, it will "Outshoot" you at the range. You can get it in a .223, .308, or .300saum(Short Action Ultra Mag). I would definately recommend the .308. It will give you all you need for any application. The rifle itself can be had for $779.00 most anywhere you look. as far as a scope goes, you have many many options. Since you say you have some money to spend on this rifle, i would get some descent optics. The gun will only be as good as what you can see. Leupold, Nikon, Weaver, and Burris all make good scopes. You can find any of these scopes for under $400.00 in certain models. With all that being said, you've only spent right at $1200.00. Thats a savings of $1800.00, below what you said you had to spend. I know its alot to read, but anything worth saying, is worth saying right. I realize this is only my opinion, so go out there and look around and touch and feel all the guns you can, before you make your decison. Good Luck!!
 
Thank you

Thank you all for your comments. I apprecate your input. This weekend, I am going to look at a number of rifles.

Once I make my decision of the rifle, scope, etc., I will post a report on my purchase and then a report on my first range experience.

Again, I sincerely thank you for your suggestions and comments.
 
If I was going to buy a new rifle one that was made of wood and blued steel instead of stainless and plastic...

I'd honestly buy a CZ 550 "American". Maybe with a full stock. "Lux" model.
Maybe in a dangerous game caliber "Magnum".

CZ uses a true Mauser action, and is a VERY beautifully fit and finished rifle.

Optics?

Leupold is dscontinuing its vari-x line of scopes, and are on sale at Midway USA. (Just got an e-mail alert from them).
 
Try an AR10. I do not have one, but if I lost what few firearms I have, I would probably replace several of them with the AR10. The AR10(T) carbine could fill the bill as an assault or battle rifle (just because you can own one), a precision rifle (I cannot shoot well enough to utilize the extra barrel length in the full size rifle), and also would serve well as a deer rifle. Those are my primary 3 reasons that I could foresee owning a rifle for.
 
In response to Jick42...I bought a Rem 700P LTR in .308 cal and ABSOLUTELY love the thing. I had my gunsmith put a Timney trigger (from Brownells) in it and the thing is a tack driver. Trigger is set at 1.75lbs. Put a Weaver V16 scope (great glass) on for under $300. Am shooting 1/2" MOA at 100yds all day long with Federal Match ammo. Wonderful gun and fun shooting. Have not hunted with it but certainly could and would if the grocery store ever ran out of meat.

The idea of picking up a Ruger 10/22 and CZ 452 (I have two Rugers and one CZ) and practicing technique, etc. before getting a more substantial rifle makes a lot of sense.

Very good posts on this subject. Good luck!!
 
shepsan,

Once you determine what equipment you prefer, and what, if any mods you'd like to make, let me know. I cannot let you overpay!

Damian
 
OK, get the Rem. .308 with the VariX Leupold scope(I reccomend 3-9) in Leupold steel Weaver style lever mounts. Get a Ruger 10-22 , and use the rest of money to buy a Bushmaster or Colt or Rock River .223 AR-15. Then you have the whole enchilada!;)
 
Another for the LTR. I have one, but in .223 and it is damn accurate as well. I truly versitle rifle as it is light and easy to carry, but with the bull barrel you can shoot it all day at the range. Not to mention, damn near every gunsmith can tune a Rem 700 action to your taste down the road. Whatever your choice in rifles, do not hesitate to spend more on the scope. Your rilfe taste may change, but you can ALWAYS use good glass, the scope will just move on to the next rifle.

Welcome to a wonderful sport!!!
 
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A good Riffle, like good Ripple, is a hard to find. Even when you find it, you have to keep watch or the bums will steal it. I suggest you look into Thunderbird instead. It won't solve the bum problem, but it's easier to find.

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I suggest you look at (hardly) used rifles in the hunting class, or even better, a good .22 RF to begin with. And unless your eyesight is abyssmal, you should use iron sights first. You will be a much better rifleman if you do.
 
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