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Please do not Kill the Babies.

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  1. Jeb Stuart

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    In the wild, yes, on my property where my kids and pets roam, all snakes get a swift and fair execution. Yes, I know black snakes keep rodents etc away, I do not care. My house and property will be eradicated of every snake and spider for that matter, that I encounter.
     
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    Poisonous snakes are killed. Non-venomous ones are not molested by me.

    I have killed two pygmy (ground) rattlers in the last month.
     
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    I only kill the poisonous ones.You can always eat them and hang up he skin so the death of the critter isn't a total waste. Outdoorsmen of all types should know the difference between the harmless ones and the dangerous ones in the area where they are going before they even go in the woods, let alone the decision to just start killing stuff.
     
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    All venomous snakes die here. I will not take the chance with the children around or the dogs. If I don't get them, Maggie will (a resident red tail hawk that has taken residence in our tree). Even when hiking if they pose a threat they will die, if I see one it is just a passerby and we are not camping it may live. I may be in their home, but like Tim Sundles of Buffalo Bore says " I am here now and I assert my right to be here".
     
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    I will go out of my way to not harm a non-venomous snake, no matter where I am.
    Venomous snakes get killed on the spot.
     
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    I don't kill non-venomous snakes... no need to. Around here they say a black racer will kill copperhead and timber rattler. I haven't seen a venomous snake in a long time. I figure the hawks are getting them.

    Over in Eastern Europe, and parts of Western Europe too, a hunter is one who has gone through an apprenticeship or, depending on which country, some other recognized learning process to know the ecosystem. A hunter, in some of those countries, is known as a thinker who considers cause and effect.

    If somebody goes out proclaiming what a great hunter they are and they don't know the various other specii in the area better than to say "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"... WARNING: FAKE EXPERT.
     
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    Copperheads were the only snake my dad would kill on sight around the house. He taught my brother and I to have a great respect for wildlife and the environment. But some things he did not take a chance on. Copperheads were an absolute no go.
     
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    Most snakes are under terrible duress, many are endangered, and when they run into a human, the human typically freaks and kills the things whether they are poisonous or not. I believe humans have instinctive behaviors, and fear of snakes is one of them. Ninety nine point nine times out of a hundred, when I have suggested to people not to kill the snake, they either kill the snake, or justify why the killed the snake, based on fear and irrationality.

    According to the web 25 species of snakes in America are poisonous, but I did not find the total number of species in the US. However the same sources say 15% of snakes world wide are poisonous. I have read poisonous snakes in Africa and East Asia are the worst for toxicity. But overall, the snake you see in the grass is probably looking for mice, rats, etc, not you.
     
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    Never killed one. Even the one that tried to bite me.

    I figure there are plenty of others out there who will do it for me. Never saw one around the house venomous or non. Maybe I would then if it was venomous.

    What I do wish though, is that everyone I know who has ever killed a copperhead would have let me look at the snake first. So far, every one of them that I have seen after the fact has been a corn snake.

    Humans. What can you do?
     
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    Copperheads where I live are not aggressive. And in the wild, I just avoid all snakes. Yes, on your yard, etc. Fine I get it. But not out in the wild. Just no need to. The idea that out in the wild, you have to kill any animal, or even a snake because you fear it, is ridiculous. In the wild, just let Nature be and walk around around them. The Snake is not out to harm you and you are too big too eat. His venom is for eating, not attacking humans. Just leave him alone. Most bites are when someone does something dumb.
    There are many animals in the wild that have ways to protect themselves. Bears, Lions, even a deer can be dangerous. But just to kill one on sight just bothers me quite a bit.
     
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    I let the non poisonous ones slither on.
    Catch the poisonous ones and relocate them to some one else.
     
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    Venomous snakes die on sight: baby snakes, grown snakes and the ones in the middle. All venomous snakes die when I see them. We’ve had too many bites and close calls with the dogs and kids around here.
     
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    I do the same thing 748. And again, if you fear them in the woods, then best to either learn about them or just stay out. I have seen so many water Moccasins you would not believe it. None have ever been a threat. The only bites come when some Knucklehead decides to torment one. I actually have a hard time understanding why so many have this fear of them in the woods, swamps etc. Have had them drop in the boat, walked over them, and on and on. Do something stupid like put your hand under a rock, then you may get bit, if one is there. Just common sense. I am more scared of some stupid hunter shooting me than any snake. The type that come into the woods and no nothing about nature. Hears a noise, thinks it is a deer and Bam, shoots and some innocent hunter is dead.
    Have ran across many Bears, but do not kill them simply because of fear.
     
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    Venomous snakes are like land mines in the woods. I don’t care what role they play in the environment. Call it fear or common sense, but I’m not sharing space with them if I can help it. My dogs and my family matter to me a great deal more than a snake.
     
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    You mean lack of common sense. Lol, sorry, but you would not be welcome with the folks I have hunted with for decades. Feel free to go your own way. Have no desire to be around folks like that in the woods I hunt and spend so much time. I guess I can see where it comes from. Lack of understanding and ignorance. I guess we are all taught different ways. I was taught early to love all of mother nature and have respect for it. Each to his own.
     
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    I've noticed that a good many venomous/poisonous species have a double or at least another looks similar enough they get left alone or killed by mistake. Not just snakes... Monarch butterflies also have a double... one tastes bad so the birds don't eat 'em and the lookalike gets left alone too.
     
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    People kill hundreds of Black snakes (water snakes), thinking they are Water Moccasins, I have been on many paths, game trails etc. and have stepped on them and Moccasins many times. They are using dozing, and when stepped on just scattle away. They look like a stick in the path. You can also see many when wading in shallow water etc. They will scurry away in front of you. If you were akin to just killing for the sake of it, you would, on some days need a lot of ammo. I have had Beagles and other hounds walk right on top of copperheads laying in the leaves. Dogs never saw them. Sat next to a Rattle snake once hidden in the Brush about three feet away. He never even rattled. Just stared me down as if to say, Hey, Dude, be careful. I simply moved away. Just left him be. No need to kill him. At that point he was no danger to me.
     
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    I’ll take non venomous snakes and chunk them back in the woods, others turn into food for coyotes and buzzards.
     
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    Where I live, it is illegal to kill most of the snakes that I might encounter. So killing them, even if I was like so many of the above, afraid of them, would be poaching.

    But since I'm not a scardy cat and not a poacher, I live and let live.

    Just sayin'.......
     
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    i don't kill non poisonous snakes. Rattlers, copperheads and moccasins are quickly killed.
     
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    Now while we're talking about some venomous snakes not being a problem, Florida has a huge snake problem... as I understand it, the pythons are wrecking the Everglades as an ecosystem and being a menace to society. Pythons are a non-native aka invasive species and they'll kill anything they can get wrapped around. If the state of Florida hasn't declared no license needed, no closed season, and no limit on pythons, they're overdue.

    What gun for Pythons??? I'm sure somebody'll say "a Colt Python, of course." Actually, I was thinking Anaconda. Go big.
     
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    I have a live and let live relationship with the snake population around here....unless mrs farmer is near. Then its live and let die. I gotta..... get along.
     
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    You can literally call it what you want. Not my issue. You can have your snakes. I’ll keep putting holes in them. I care more about my shepherds than I do a cottonmouth. I care more about my kid playing in the yard than I do a baby copperhead. A venomous snake that is hard to see is easy to step on. A venomous snake that gets stepped on is going to bite most of the time. I’m not taking chances with them. They die. Period.
     
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    Genesis 3:14
    The Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.

    I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”

    The hatred of serpents goes back a long way.
     
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