please explain Molon Labe

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Pardon my ignorance gents, but what does Molon Labe mean?
I see this here and I see an aparent variation (in Greek?)
on the WMVM web site. Thanks.
 
Another, more recent translation of this phrase is

"Nuts."

During World War II, the 101st Airborne Division led the way on D-Day in the night drop prior to the invasion. When surrounded at Bastogne, Brig. Gen. Anthony McAuliffe answered "NUTS!" and the Screaming Eagles fought on until the siege was lifted. For their valiant efforts and heroic deeds during World War II, the 101st Airborne Division was awarded four campaign streamers and two Presidential Unit Citations.

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During World War II, the 101st Airborne Division led the way on D-Day in the night drop prior to the invasion. When surrounded at Bastogne, Brig. Gen. Anthony McAuliffe answered "NUTS!"

I have always suspected that was sanitized for pubic consumption. Does anyone know what he really said?
 
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During World War II, the 101st Airborne Division led the way on D-Day in the night drop prior to the invasion. When surrounded at Bastogne, Brig. Gen. Anthony McAuliffe answered "NUTS!"
I have always suspected that was sanitized for pubic consumption. Does anyone know what he really said?

I have thought the same thing for years.
 
Much like the Texas revolution of 1835
 

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Probably something like

"f------ off

and die in a bucket",

in my humble opinion.

One horrendous day in WWII,

When the Japanese had this huge offensive running down the length

Of China, the report from the 14th Airforce went something like this:

"Seven airfields lost today (followed by listing of said airfields), but no planes."

The language in the background was very different.

How do I know?

My Dad was Chennault's intelligence officer, and was responsible

For those very reports.

He very rarely spoke of those days, but when he did,

It was interesting.


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I have always suspected that was sanitized for pubic consumption. Does anyone know what he really said?

Brigadier General Anthony McAuliffe was well known for not using profanity...in all likelyhood, he actually said "Nuts" and not anything else. At least, that's what all the historical accounts say he said...and as I wasn't there...

As for Molon Labe...historical accounts of the battle of Thermopayle quote King Leonidas as saying that as well. It was vivedly imagined in the movie 300, as "Come and get them" a fairly accurate translation.
 
From Wikipedia:

According to various accounts from those present, when McAuliffe was told of the German demand for surrender he said "Aw, nuts". At a loss for an official reply, Lt. Col. Harry Kinnard suggested that his first remark summed the situation up well, which was agreed to by the others. The official reply: "To the German Commander, NUTS!, The American Commander" was typed and delivered by Colonel Joseph Harper, commanding the 327th Glider Infantry, and his S-3 Major Jones to the German delegation. Harper had to explain the meaning of the word to the Germans, telling them that in "plain English" it meant "Go to hell."[2]

According to an article in the Daily Mail the reply was not "Nuts" but a four letter expletive that was changed for propaganda purposes for domestic consumption. But that was not the case, according to Vincent Vicari, McAuliffe's personal aide who was there at the time. As quoted by Richard Pyle of the Associated Press December 12, 2004, Vicari said, "General Mac was the only general I ever knew who did not use profane language. 'Nuts' was part of his normal vocabulary."
 
Travis' reply at the Alamo was just a cannon shot :D

Ya gotta love a man who knows the quick way to start a war!
 
In my opinion, one of the finest call to arms ever penned.

To The People of Texas and
All Americans In The World --
February 24, 1836

Fellow citizens & compatriots --

I am beseiged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna -- I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man -- The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken -- I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls -- I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism, & every thing dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch -- The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country --

VICTORY OR DEATH

William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comdt.
 
Here is the obituary of a true warrior, a paratrooper who was with Gen. McAuliffe when the Germans demanded the surrender of the 101st Div. (Abn.) at Bastogne, Belgium, merely because they were surrounded by the German Army including SS divisions. Harry W.O. Kinnard.

(Fair use.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/us/11kinnard.html?_r=2

Harry W. O. Kinnard, Who Said One Word Would Do, Dies at 93


By RICHARD GOLDSTEIN
Published: January 10, 2009
Lt. Gen. Harry W. O. Kinnard, who inspired the storied retort “nuts” to a German surrender ultimatum during the Battle of the Bulge, died Monday in Arlington, Va. He was 93.

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Associated Press, 1966
Lt. Gen. Harry W. O. Kinnard
His death was announced by his family.

General Kinnard parachuted into Normandy in the first hours of D-Day. He received the Distinguished Service Cross for heroism during Operation Market Garden, the airborne attack in the German-occupied Netherlands. And he helped pioneer the airmobile concept, sending troops into combat aboard helicopters during the Vietnam War.

But he was perhaps best remembered for what happened in December 1944 at the Belgian town of Bastogne, where the 101st Airborne Division, short on clothing and boots in a snowstorm and bitter cold, was surrounded by German troops.

Bastogne, at the intersection of important roads, was a crucial objective for the Germans in their surprise attack in the Ardennes region of Belgium, an offensive that had created a “bulge” in Allied lines.

On Dec. 22, two German officers approached the American lines in Bastogne carrying a demand that the American commander surrender his troops within two hours or face annihilation from an artillery barrage.

The message was passed on to Brig. Gen. Anthony C. McAuliffe, acting as division commander while Maj. Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor was in Washington.

General Kinnard, a lieutenant colonel at the time and the division’s operations officer, would recall that General McAuliffe “laughed and said: ‘Us surrender? Aw, nuts.’ ”

As General Kinnard related it long afterward in an interview with Patrick O’Donnell, a military historian: “He pondered for a few minutes and then told the staff, ‘Well, I don’t know what to tell them.’ He then asked the staff what they thought, and I spoke up, saying, ‘That first remark of yours would be hard to beat.’

“McAuliffe said, ‘What do you mean?’ I answered, ‘Sir, you said, ‘Nuts.’ All members of the staff enthusiastically agreed. McAuliffe then wrote down: ‘To the German Commander, Nuts! The American Commander.’ ”

The note was carried back to the German officers by Col. Joseph Harper, a regimental commander. The officers did not seem to understand it, so Colonel Harper told them, “If you don’t know what ‘nuts’ means, in plain English it is the same as ‘go to hell.’ ”

The 101st held out, and four days later an American column broke through the German lines, lifting the siege. That response of “nuts” came to epitomize the grit of American soldiers in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds.

Harry William Osborne Kinnard II, a native of Dallas, entered military service after graduating from West Point in 1939.

Having fought extensively with the airborne, he oversaw a more modern way to get troops into combat quickly when he commanded the 11th Air Assault Division (Test), created at Fort Benning, Ga., in 1963 to develop the airmobile concept.

That became the First Cavalry Division (Airmobile), and General Kinnard commanded it in November 1965 when it undertook the Army’s first major engagement of the Vietnam War, the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley. North Vietnamese casualties were heavy, but that encounter in the Central Highlands left more than 300 Americans dead and foreshadowed a long war of attrition. The battle was recounted in the 1992 book “We Were Soldiers Once ... And Young,” by Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore and Joseph L. Galloway.

General Kinnard retired from military service in 1969. He is survived by his wife, Libby; his sons, Crew and Robert; his daughters, Susan Payson, Kathleen Coursey and Cynthia Harmon; his stepdaughters, Libby Nicholson and Janmarie Hall; his stepson, Col. Tom Nicholson Jr.; 16 grandchildren; and 15 great-grandchildren.

General McAuliffe became famed for the “nuts” reply, but sometimes grew weary of hearing the story retold. On one occasion, he thought he had a respite.

“One evening a dear old Southern lady invited me to dinner,” he recalled. “I had a delightful time talking to her and her charming guests. I was pleased because no mention was made the entire evening of the ‘nuts’ incident. As I prepared to depart and thanked my hostess for an enjoyable evening, she replied, ‘Thank you and good night, General McNut.’ ”



Some of you Vietnam vets might remember Gen. Kinnard, also.

L.W.
 
I was a kid during WW II and I want to tell you when those boys came home this country excelled like it never did before. They were tough and they were smart and they loved this country. They proved it ten times over as military, and as civilians. And we still have the best troops in the world.
Thank you to anyone that has, or is serving.
 
'Victory Or Death"...........G. Washington....Battle Of Trenton, Christmas Eve.

"De Oppresso Liber".........To Liberate The Oppressed.....US Special Forces..Moto.

"You Formulate the plan and I will storm Hell"......Gen. Anthony Wayne to Gen. G. Washington.
 
a modern translation could be
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