Pocket Carry Question

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In 1916 Gregory Rasputin was shot in the head close range from a semi-automatic "pocket" Savage Model 1907 in .32 ACP. He kept running until he was tackled, beaten, and drowned to death.

What we don't know from this anecdote is the specific wound trauma produced by the bullet. Did it hit his head at a tangent and deflect off his cranium or was it a solid hit that failed perforate the cranium and penetrate the brain. Indeed, where DID it hit him "in the head"? Every failure has a reason - you just have to dig deeper to understand exactly why.
 
It perforated the cranium so well Shawn that the coroner could not rule out a larger caliber. Which in turn gave rise to conspiracy theories about British agents showing up and executing the victim with a .445 Webley. The debate continues to this day.

I don't remember exactly where in the head Rasputin was hit. Evidently not the brainstem. The assassin was known to be a practiced marksman, but was of course shooting in near darkness and in a hurry.

Urban legends aside, it was a real event.
 
So far my thoughts are that the LCP may be out because it only comes in a blued slide and this gun will not be babied. I also don't want anything with terribly snappy recoil.

I've had my LCP for 4 years. In those 4 years, I've carried it in a Galco leather pocket holster, in pants/shorts/coat pockets hundreds of times. Our climate in NW Oregon is pretty humid most of the year, and my LCP has spent hours at a time in sweaty pockets on hot summer days, and has even spent a fair amount of time in coastal environments. So far, I have never had any problems with rust, corrosion, or any other problem with the finish. I don't even keep it very oiled (just a drop on the barrel and the frame rails), and I usually only blow dust and lint out of it every other week or so, no oiling or wiping it down.

Whenever I go shooting, I take along the LCP, loaded with the carry ammo that's been sitting in it for weeks or months at a time. I pull the LCP out of the pocket holster and shoot it in the condition it's been in day in and day out. It has never hiccuped once while doing this. In fact, the only issue I've had in 680 rounds was a single round of Remington UMC that failed to feed. I marked this round, and randomly loaded it into the next 3 magazines, and it FTF every time. So it was definitely an out-of-spec round, not the gun's fault.

Kahr 380s are out due to price for intended use

Have you seen their latest .380, the CW 380? It's their "budget" version of the P380, and has an MSRP of $419 - meaning it can probably be found in shops or online for more like $325-375. That's only about $50 more than the average Ruger LCP. My FIL has the Kahr P380, and side-by-side with the LCP, the Kahr feels so much better. The trigger is just as smooth as on my 9mm Kahrs, the grip feels better, the sights are actually real and visible, and it's nearly identical in size and weight to the LCP. If I were going to do it all over again, I'd buy the Kahr CW380 over the Ruger LCP, not because the LCP is bad (I love mine), but because the Kahr is so much better for not much more money.

"Snappy" recoil is going to be an issue with any tiny lightweight gun shooting .380ACP. But with the pinky extension on the magazine, and a Hogue rubber grip sleeve, recoil from my LCP doesn't bother me, and I'm actually fairly accurate with it. Plus, I have complete confidence in it's reliability. I ended up putting a dot of white Testers paint on the sights, and that helped a little. Recently, Ruger updated the LCP with slightly taller sights, and a slightly lighter (or shorter?) trigger pull. I'm not sure exactly when they made the changes, but I believe it was within the last 6 months.

Good luck in your search. Whatever you end up with, it's a better solution than going unarmed because your other larger, heavier carry guns are at home.
 
Kahr is tops, it is carried by many who aren't fan boys. Men who want a go to gun that will fire on command, and hit what you aim at. I have owned every gun mentioned and carry a pm9 with NS and 3 mags.I also carry other guns, sometimes at the same time, and usually a 45.
 
I'd consider the LCP pretty damn snappy. Not enough to not carry it, but plenty enough to be unpleasant practicing with.
I guess we must quantify our opinions a bit more....

I don't find the LCP to be all that snappy.
And I can easily shoot 100 rounds in a practice session with no unpleasantness whatsoever.

And I am just your average middle-aged guy.
 
So far my thoughts are that the LCP may be out because it only comes in a blued slide and this gun will not be babied.

I don't understand this comment why does finish matter?

I've pocket carried an LCP for about 3 years now mostly in a homemade leather holster and some of the blue is wearing thin on the sharp edges but so what, this is a SD gun not a safe queen all I need is for it to go bang when I pull the trigger.

I'm so impressed with my LCP that I plan to buy another and I'd buy two more if my wife wanted to carry one also.
 
I have two pocket carry options: Beretta Nano and Ruger LCP. The Ruger is a second generation LCP where they have unofficially made some changes: better sights and better trigger.

I try to carry the Beretta but when you can't fit anything else in a pocket, the LCP is there.
 
I've carried a Kel-Tec 380 in my pocket for the last 6 years. I love the small size and weight but I don't love shooting it. I wear a size L or XL glove and the small gun is just very awkward to grip. I've never reached the mental comfort level I want with my limited range time. Shooting the "snappy" little gun is very different from my medium and large frame pistols and I really need more range time than I get to feel warm and fuzzy about the gun.

Now I look at it as the "training wheels" that got me into the habit of always carrying, but I would rather change to something with a little more weight and size. A larger gun & holster combo would also fill up my pocket better and stay in a more consistent position.

Since you're already accustomed to carrying, getting into the habit won't be a concern to you, but unless you wear a glove in Small or Medium, you might not care for the mouse size either.
 
I don't pocket-carry that often, pretty much only when traveling to and from my no-carry job site.

I shopped the small .380 pistols and the .32 ones, and looked closely at the NAA in .32 when I saw one for a decent price. But, it was pretty heavy, and I had recently tried my Phoenix HP22A in a pocket and didn't care for the weight.

I then shopped Kel-Tec. Having owned a PPK/S and still owning a Grendel P10 (the latter being the great-granddaddy to the P3-AT), I really didn't want another small gun in .380 because I remembered the snap they can have.

I went with the P32 over the P3-AT for three reasons: less "snap", which helps in faster target re-acquisition, a last-shot slide-lock (not really all that important), and an extra round in capacity.

I don't regret my choice at all. Mine has the matte-gray slide, so I don't worry about bluing wear.
 
I have been fondling a Bodyguard at the local shop and I am kind of leaning towards it. I like the sights and actually like the true double action trigger. The Sig P238 is nice but I will not put a cocked and locked pistol in my pocket, although I will carry a 1911 cocked and locked in a holster. Another gun I find interesting is the Kahr PM9. However, the salesman told me that if I didn't want to keep a round in the chamber to avoid the Kahr because it wouldn't perform well pulling out of the pocket and then racking slide. I personally don't know.
 
Love my Kel-Tec P32. Oh and by the way, it was the 32ACP that started WWI. Carry it every day.
 
I've carried a concealed handgun, mostly J-frame revolvers, for a long time and never anywhere but in my pocket. I've also owned some of the guns discussed here (including a Grendel) and formed some opinions about them. The Kel-Tecs were awful, I'll never own another, YMMV. The Ruger LCP is a vast improvement, I carried one for years and even bought a second one as a spare, and if they had better sights I'd probably still be carrying one. Now I'm carrying a Kahr P380 with real sights, night sights, and I'm satisfied with it. I also own a Kahr PM9, and while it's a quality piece, it's just a little too big for comfortable pocket carry.

The things I've done to all of those guns to make them more shootable were adding a grip sleeve like the Hogue Handall, and magazine base plates with a pinky extension. The grip sleeves always needed a bit of trimming, and I ground down the mag extensions so that they'd barely give my little finger a grip. I can shoot the Kahr comfortably all day long, and 50-100 rounds through the LCP was no big deal.

I have no qualms at all about carrying the Kahr or the LCP with a round chambered.
 
I pocket carry 99.9% of the time, usually the Kimber Solo or the PM9. There are a number of good options available. I own a Kimber Solo, Kahr PM9, Beretta Nano, Walther PPS, all in 9mm, and a Kahr P380. The P380 is the easiest to conceal and carry by a substantial margin. In the 9mm's, the Solo is the easiest to conceal and pocket carry, followed closely by the PM9, next is the Nano and then the PPS. If price is the primary consideration in your decision, look at the Kahr CM9. Also, Beretta is going to release a new 380, the Pico, with an MSRP of $400.
 
Nobody has mentioned the Micro Desert Eagle. (Also a prize winner for the most weird name) That little chunk of stainless steel had a rotating barrel and 2 miniature recoil spring assemblies. Holding on to the stubby grip during firing it was like trying to subdue my pinscher in front of a freshly delivered pizza. The sights were "integral" (read: negligible) I traded it in because it malfunctioned regularly on HP ammo, and gave no signs of breaking in (which the manual did not require) I miss it sometimes for the parts quality and the funky appearance. Any opinions?

Not trying to hijack the thread. All in the OP context.
 
I have a guardian. It came with a laser in the frame so the sights are a wee bit moot.
I like the size and weight but cannot stand them trigger. Just me.
I'm currently debating selling.
 
I carry a TCP and it is not picky about ammo at all, it's a bit snappy but show me a .380 pocket pistol that isn't. I bought my TCP two years ago and and put my LCP in the drawer and never looked back, and for the price how can you pass it up?
 
If you have a ppk that fired a few hundred rounds reliably be a very proud owner. That's one reason bersa thunder series sells well. There CC and combat model are small but still the size of my cm9 at 16oz. Your ppk probably 20oz +.
 
Up until this recall, I've pocket carried my XD-S 45 nearly daily for I guess about 8 months now. It's plenty comfortable and fits just fine in my dress pants (though I've seen pants with pockets too small). I actually prefer the recoil of the .45 over some of those lightweight guns an LGS clerk described as putting a 9mm in a water pistol.

That said, nearly all of those you mentioned are as small or smaller, so carrying shouldn't be an issue.
 
For some reason, the stronger kick from a 45 XDS feels better than the snap from even a 380 Kahr, not to mention the LCP and such.
 
Next big thing is going to be a 13-15 round 380 dbl stack. Smaller than a 26, with a manual safety. Got it from Creskin the magnificent.
 
For the same reasons as the OP I frequently carry a p3at. Amazing little gun. The only problem I ever had was self induced. After a while it began having FTE problems. Keltec sent me a new extractor and all was good. What I figured out happened was I was putting a round in the chamber and slamming the slide over it. You could see where it wore out the extractor. I've had 0 problems since I stopped doing that. It goes bang every time. For the money its hard to beat it. The LCP is basically the same gun so either would do the trick.
 
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