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I already have three handguns, but I have been wanting a "mouse gun" for a little while. Mostly for ease of concealment under female summer business casual dress.

I've fired a few and have some likes & dislikes, and a couple new ones on my list.

First, everything I carry now is da/sa (P229, Makarov .380, and a Mauser HSc once in a while). So that is what I am used to.

however, we added a 1911 to the collection for hubby's birthday, and I recently fired a P238, so while I am new to SAOs, I really like the way they shoot. I also like the idea of carrying cocked and locked.

But at the same time, I wonder if it is a better idea to stick with what I am used to handling.

someday I will have all of the above, and I am also still experimenting with (read: shopping for) holsters.

Right now I am in love with the P238. It is in top of my list but I have read some articles arguing against SAO as daily carry pistols. I know y'all are going to be all over the place on the issue, but I'd appreciate some additional thoughts.
 
Carrying the Sig P238s and the newer 938s is rather similar to carrying a 1911(minus the grip safety), which is why quite a few people like them. With all firearms there is a learning curve involved. Not many people can pick up a weapon the first time and feel 100% carrying it without some range time. The 238/938s are no exception. I would suggest practicing on the 1911 for awhile since the mechanics are so similar (albeit the caliber is not)
 
Ehtereon11B said:
Carrying the Sig P238s and the newer 938s is rather similar to carrying a 1911(minus the grip safety), which is why quite a few people like them. With all firearms there is a learning curve involved. Not many people can pick up a weapon the first time and feel 100% carrying it without some range time. The 238/938s are no exception. I would suggest practicing on the 1911 for awhile since the mechanics are so similar (albeit the caliber is not)
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No burden there. I plan to acquire one of my own eventually but mouse guns they are not.
 
SAO also is not for every one. I have carried 1911's for years so carrying in that manner doesn't bother me.

I think the the little SAO Sigs are nice little guns and while I have not shot or carried one many folks seem to like them.

Now this is a personal preference for me. I looked at these models but decided they were out for me because my pocket gun is going......well in my pocket. So carrying a SAO say in my front pocket in a pocket holster just isn't something I want to do.

If its going on my belt I'm sure I would feel more comfortable. I would just have to try it and see how it worked for me. A cocked hammer I worry my get hung up inside my pocket or am I over analyzing? It just comes down to what a person feels comfortable with.

I had a list of things I wanted and didn't want in a pocket gun. So I chose mine based off that list. One thing I had to have was something that was pocket friendly for 'me'.

But yeah I think since you guys have a 1911 and if you get used to it I don't see why the Sig would be a problem for you. They sure seem well made too.


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SAO also is not for every one. I have carried 1911's for years so carrying in that manner doesn't bother me.

I think the the little SAO Sigs are nice little guns and while I have not shot or carried one many folks seem to like them.

Now this is a personal preference for me. I looked at these models but decided they were out for me because my pocket gun is going......well in my pocket. So carrying a SAO say in my front pocket in a pocket holster just isn't something I want to do.

If its going on my belt I'm sure I would feel more comfortable. I would just have to try it and see how it worked for me. A cocked hammer I worry my get hung up inside my pocket or am I over analyzing? It just comes down to what a person feels comfortable with.

I had a list of things I wanted and didn't want in a pocket gun. So I chose mine based off that list. One thing I had to have was something that was pocket friendly for 'me'.

But yeah I think since you guys have a 1911 and if you get used to it I don't see why the Sig would be a problem for you. They sure seem well made too.

I'm sure the trigger is more 1911 like. My gun has a long but smooth pull. So I guess that's something to consider too.
I say If you like it and feel comfortable with it to go for it.


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In a panic, will you remember to flip off the safety? I eliminate all variables on my carry guns, keep them simple... No manual safety for me:)

Good luck in your choice, and you are only as prepared as your training;)

For pocket carry, I can recommend the Ruger LCP, no issues with mine....Period.
 
I carry a 238. For me it's the right choice. Since I practice quite a bit with it I am used to flipping of the safety.
Depending on dress I carry it in my pocket or on my belt. The gun has what the smaller 380s don't have, shootability.
The smaller Rugers and Keltecs are just to small for me to hang on to. The night sights on the baby Sig are a big help too.
 
If you do end up with the P238, do you plan on pocket carrying it? I don't particularly like the idea of SA on a pocket gun but that's just me. I think on a belt, either IWB or OWB would make a great carry gun.
 
JDGray said:
In a panic, will you remember to flip off the safety? I eliminate all variables on my carry guns, keep them simple... No manual safety for me:)

Good luck in your choice, and you are only as prepared as your training;)

For pocket carry, I can recommend the Ruger LCP, no issues with mine....Period.
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I don't know WHAT I will remember or not in a panic. But I did try an LCP and unfortunately I really did not like it. Whatever I get, I will be practicing and training with at home and in a class soon.
 
skt239 said:
If you do end up with the P238, do you plan on pocket carrying it? I don't particularly like the idea of SA on a pocket gun but that's just me. I think on a belt, either IWB or OWB would make a great carry gun.
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No, I meant pocket pistol as a description of size. I don't own one pair of pants I can even fit my whole hand into, nevermind a pistol.
IWB or belly band probably work best with women' clothes.
 
firecrackerktm said:
No, I meant pocket pistol as a description of size. I don't own one pair of pants I can even fit my whole hand into, nevermind a pistol.
IWB or belly band probably work best with women' clothes.
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Personally I love my P238, but if your concerned about cocked and locked I would recommend what I consider the most under rated gun in it's class, the Taurus TCP HAS IMO the best trigger of all the true pocket 380 pistols with the exception of the P238 and the Kahr P380 and for me has a better grip and less felt recoil! Again with the exception of the P238.
 
Kokapelli, I am not sure if I'm concerned or not. It isn't any LESS safe than a DA/SA pistol with no safety at all, like my P229. I've never owned a SA pistol so I guess I am just gathering info.

None of the local ranges have any of the little Kahrs to try. I wouldn't mind shooting one just to see.
 
I carry a SA pistol for sometimes pocket carry and sometimes ankle carry. It has a grip safety and a thumb safety, although not a 1911 style. It is rather safe for pocket carry because of those 2 features. Because some 1911 style safeties are easy to click off while in a pocket, I don't recommend most of them for pocket carry. However weapons that have stiff gun safeties like Beretta Bob/Tomcats make good pocket pistols even though they do not have a grip safety. But 1911s, 238/239, Bersa Thunder etc make great IWB carry pieces.

The "remember to take off the safety" concern is irrelevant. If you train the way you intend to fight then you will remember your training in that fight. All military individual weapons have safeties: M4, M9, M249, M240B etc. When I needed to use them quickly, taking off the safety was instinctual, because that is how I trained with them. It wasn't a thought or fumble. I trained that way and when it needed to happen, it did. The only difference is preference. If you prefer to have a SA weapon as a CCW, you can. If you prefer DAO that is awesome too. Find what you are comfortable with and train. Simple as that.
 
SIG P238 is an accurate, dependable, low recoil subcompact pistol. Kelteck P3AT is not so accurate, but dependable, high recoil subcompact pistol, I carry this as a last resort. I do like the SIG and Colt .380 pistols, still they are too heavy for pocket carry IMO and work best from an IWB holster. Whatever you decide to carry, practice, practice, practice so it will seem to be automatic. I used to own a SIG P238, now my wife owns it, she also carries another SA pistol cocked and locked a Beretta 950 Jetfire .25ACP.
 
My only concern - which only you can answer - is switching back and forth between two types of actions and controls. Few pocketable pistols are DA/SA; they are either DAO or SAO.
 
Cocked and locked in a holster is great, in a purse or briefcase maybe another thing.
As long as you now will probably have to fire your first shot DA, depending on size, look at Kahr PM series (borderline mousegun), or go to a .32 Seecamp. If you are treating your mousegun as a last resort gun the .32 will get you along and give you max. conceal-ability.
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I have carried the Kel-tec, Ruger LCP and currently have a S&W Bodyguard 380. The Taurus 738 has them beat handsdown when it comes to a good trigger in DAO. That said, the Sig SAO is pretty sweet.
 
captcurt You are right about the tcp trigger. I CC kahrs but just bought a tcp for when smaller is needed and it does have even a better trigger pull. Atleast diamondback has the pistols working , i think. The rohrbaugh 9mm is when to small is just that. Rather have a pf-9 . or my tcp. Atleast I can get 2 fingers on the grip.
 
my LGS had a PM9, CM9 and a used PM45 and I looked at them today. They feel pretty nice but are more square and possibly thicker than the P238.

I dunno. I may just go with my first impulse :D I can't shoot EVERYTHING before I buy, and at least I know that I did like the Sig over the others.
 
What did you think of the trigger pull on the Kahr's?

I carry either a P45 or pocket carry a P380 for that reason. To me it comes down to what I can consistently shoot accurately.
 
If you carry a handgun and you have not practiced enough with it to go on auto pilot, practice more.
JDGRAY, most of us who carry a SAO (mine is a lw Colt Commander) will tell you in competition you are not aware of wiping off the safety. You don't "remember" it. It is subconscious. Kinda like seeing brakelights and your foot hits the brake before you realize you moved your foot. Or climb into a car with a floor shift and you keep grabbing for the lever on the column. Autopilot. Subconscious.
 
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