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Pocket vs full frame picture request

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Tomahawk674, Jul 15, 2008.

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  1. Tomahawk674

    Tomahawk674 Member

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    Hey guys, could someone please post a size comparison picture of a colt pocket police/ pocket navy vs a standard 1851 Navy?

    If I'm not mistaken the Pietta 1862 pocket has the same frame and grip as the 1851 (SAA grip), but Uberti's 1862 frame and grip is the same as the 1849 pocket.

    I'd like to see the size difference in size, but I can't find any comparison pics online.
     
  2. DrLaw

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    Apples and oranges

    There are some manufacturers out there who call a short barrel 1851 or 1861 Navy a Pocket Navy or Police model. Those are built on the same frame as the 1851 Navy and have 6-shots.

    True Pocket Navy and 1862 Police have only 5-shots and are built on the 1849 frames.

    The Doc is out now. :cool:
     
  3. mykeal

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    Here's what I have -
    top: Uberti 1873 Cattleman .44 (Colt SAA replica)
    middle: Pietta 1851 Navy .36
    bottom: Uberti 1862 Pocket Police .36 (5 shot)

    The Cattleman is provided as a reference to the SAA frame.

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  4. Tomahawk674

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    Thank you, that picture is helpful.

    The '62 police frame & grips do look somewhat smaller than the '51 Navy, but I don't see where they got the idea to name it a "pocket" revolver. I would just call it a "trim" Navy.

    How would you say the size difference feels?

    PS: Beatiful SAA!
     
  5. Gunruner

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    Mens overcoat pockets were once very deep and large. If it was too small to fit a holster it was just put in the pocket and hence the name. I'll bet more were stuffed in the belt if they had a barrel of more than 6". That Uberti above is a real nice Pocket Police and I prefer the 1860 type rack & pinion loading lever. Nice group mykeal!...........Mike
     
  6. Smokin_Gun

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    Here's a couple pics.
    1st pic 1858 .44 Uberti Rem & 1863 .31 pocket pistol
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    2nd Top to bottom Uberti Rem .44, Euroarms 1858 Army Police .36, 1863 .31 Rem Pocket, DDG U.S. Markings and S/N (Old Armi San Paolo)
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    Mykeal , I have the same [BM] Uberti 1873BP Cattleman in 7 1/2"...shoot cloverleafs with it. Really like mine, but like Rems a little more.

    SG
     
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    man those pocket pistols look like toys. does anyone have one next to a WALKER
     
  8. Tomahawk674

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    The pocket remington looks really small compared to its bigger sibblings. But for whatever reason it looks "fun" :)

    How well does it shoot? got any chrono numbers?

    Only thing I don't like is the absence of a trigger guard.
     
  9. mykeal

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    The Colt Pocket Police is light and handles very nicely. The size difference between it and the 1851 Navy is quite noticeable; the Police grips are a bit too small to be completely comfortable, but I can imagine it easily fitting in a coat pocket and being easy to draw. With that small cylinder it's not a heavy load gun, (I shoot 12-15 gr fffg) so it's quite comfortable to shoot also. Accuracy is good; the sight radius is short so that's a disadvantage, but the light recoil helps make up for it.

    This particular gun has very unusual nipple threads: .200X28. A 12X28 nipple will not fit. I've never found any (except for custom build) replacement nipples with that thread. I don't know if it's simply a mistake or if there's a reason for it.

    The SAA is a percussion cap design; both Uberti and Pietta make them for sale in the UK, where cartridge guns are illegal. It's fun to shoot but a PITA to load because you have to use a cylinder loading stand; the ejection rod is functional but useless.
     
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    for sure some nice pics in there. look at that .31 next to the ROA wow what a size difference
     
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    i have a origional 1862 pocket navy for sale if anyone is interested, gun is excelent + condition
     
  13. Ginormous

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    A couple of different views of a Walker, Dragoon, and 2 versions of the .58 Remington against a 1862 Pocket Navy:

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    Belgian Centaure Colt 1860 & 1862 Pocket Police
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  15. StrawHat

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    Here is a photo of the three sizes of Colts frames. Top tot bottom, Walker/Dragoon, 1860/1851, and finally the pocket series.

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    What the Doc said about the frame sizes is correct, the Italians get pretty careless with the way they "create" historical firearms.
     
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    Strawhat, got any video of that Dragoon being shot at night?
     
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    Ginormous,

    Negative on the night firing. The first cap I busted on that Walker after I got it sent the front sight sailing off to Neverland. It now sits in the shop awaiting a dovetailed front sight, new grips and some action work. If you'ns think the sight work on a Colt is iffy with the hammer notch, try it without a front sight. Across a card table is pushing it, well maybe not but it sure sucks at 25 yards. Don't know where the last 5 shots landed but the target sure was safe!

    (Photo taken prior to sight parting company with the barrel.)
     
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    Several days ago, I Googled "Baby Dragoons. black powder and was given several sites. I went toOld West CCW boot guns and baby dragoons from the magazine, American Riflemane was 4 pages of info on these puppies. Most men didnt wear belts at the time and some wore a sash to carry their guns. Coly sold alot of these weapons to townpeople. Their drawback was the bullet only achieved approx 700fps and were not considered lethal unless a direct head shot or heart shot.. There is alot of info there if you are interested.
     
  19. StrawHat

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    The medicine of the day almost guaranteed that any shot that broke skin was indeed fatal due to infection setting in. It might not be an instant kill but they knew it was still a death sentence. Hence, most folks resisted the urge to jump in front of a bullet and tended to avoid them.

    MV recognizes this in other articles he has penned, wonder why he missed it here.

    For myself, I would prefer the 36 caliber of the 1862 models to the 31 caliber of the 1847 and 1848 Baby Dragoons.
     
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