"Pointability"

[Shawnee]

Hi Gents...

For this thread , my idea of "pointing" is with the gun held below the shoulders and closer to the level of the lower part of the rib cage. Sorry if I was unclear about that.

 

[MCgunner]

Well, from that position, most autos will tend to point low for me. Single actions and a DA revolver with a proper fit grip will be more on target because I can hold my hand up higher on the grip which raises the muzzle. BUT, if I just raise the gun up to about throat level, really doesn't matter. I can point about any handgun I own pretty instinctively. YMMV a lot on that, of course. I have actually played with this at 3 and 7 yards at the range. The SA was the best, but I don't carry a single action CCW. I practice my point shooting with my M85 Taurus from about throat level. That's the gun I have in the bedroom handy if I have to go checkin' out the house at night. In my little house, though, I've always figured any fight would be at contact range, so I'll have the gun tight to my body while I fend off the attacker with my off hand, better practice. I used to play with that in the house using those plastic bullets speer makes that are powered by a primer. Had a cardboard bullet trap. Don't get to do that much since the wife quit working, though. It was nice when I had the house to myself. LOL

 

[SAWBONES]

IMNSHO, the "pointability" of a gun is important and should be ascertained in advance of CCW use. Certain revolvers "point" well for me, no semiautos do.
Carry a weapon that points accurately for you.

 

[dourdave]

Well, when your old eyes and corective lenses do not allow focusing on the front sight, you learn to "point shoot". I strive for a 5" impact diameter at 15 feet. Self defense only !! That works well for my two carry items and generally is OK for the rest of the arsenal.

Bullseye shooting used to be fun, but so was sex.


Well, let me think about that for a minute--------

 

[crebralfix]

People who complain about "pointability" don't practice enough.

 

[Lonestar49]

From my point of view..

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For this thread , my idea of "pointing" is with the gun held below the shoulders and closer to the level of the lower part of the rib cage. Sorry if I was unclear about that.
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Clear now, and:

I can speak to eyes that aren't as fast as they used to be, so with that bonus.. not, that the best point-aim-guns in my small herd are both 1911's, the Colt Defender 45 and the SA EMP 9mm..

Besides the grips seem the most natural for the same exact grip anytime, every time, along with, the "angle of the grip" in relation to the barrel (it tilts up), seems just right for the best, most accurate, natural point and shoot accuracy, noting that the trigger pull (SAO) is as constant, smooth, and sharp, as it gets.

1911's without doubt out of my small herd


Ls

 

[spiroxlii]

People who complain about "pointability" don't practice enough.

Seems that pointability was once more important to serious shooters than it is now.

Stolen from Cornered Cat's page on shooting stances:

Jack Weaver was a Deputy Sheriff in the 1950's when he began standing this way in competition. A young Jeff Cooper quickly adopted Weaver's stance, and later popularized it at his shooting school, Gunsite. The Weaver stance was a truly radical departure from the way things were done at the time. Until Jack Weaver came along, most handgunners held the gun with one hand, and fired quickly from the hip, or from the shoulder while sighting down the extended arm. Few held the gun with both hands, and few used the sights.

 

[Rexster]

I am going to take issue with the comment about not practicing enough. While true on a certain level, pointability is a factor. Sure, sufficient correct practice will habituate any device to anyone's hands, but why fight nature, unless compelled to do so by something such as having to carry an issued weapon, instead of one's choice? The important thing about pointability, IMHO, is that carrying multiple weapons with different handling characteristics is probably a bad idea. Of course, using the sights will allow one to shoot any weapon well, but a weapon that points well will be ahead of the curve compared to one which points "off," and needs to be realigned once in the line of sight. And, what about fighting after getting foreign objects or something like OC spray in the eyes? Just to be clear, I DO advocate frequent and correct practice!

 

[MCgunner]

IMHO, point shooting a handgun is only for when you can't see the front sight, either you're in the dark or one of our elderly gents. Jeez, sex no fun? Well, I guess I ain't old after all, and I can still use the front sight even though I went to bifocals over 10 years ago. I do practice point shooting, but I'm more interested in using the sights, bringing the gun up and getting a spot on flash sight picture. When the sights fall right in line without fishing for alignment, I'm in zen with the weapon. If I can do that, I find point shooting at indoor ranges a piece of cake.

 

[crebralfix]

I am going to take issue with the comment about not practicing enough. While true on a certain level, pointability is a factor. Sure, sufficient correct practice will habituate any device to anyone's hands, but why fight nature, unless compelled to do so by something such as having to carry an issued weapon, instead of one's choice? The important thing about pointability, IMHO, is that carrying multiple weapons with different handling characteristics is probably a bad idea. Of course, using the sights will allow one to shoot any weapon well, but a weapon that points well will be ahead of the curve compared to one which points "off," and needs to be realigned once in the line of sight. And, what about fighting after getting foreign objects or something like OC spray in the eyes? Just to be clear, I DO advocate frequent and correct practice!

It's an excuse for failure to perform.

Almost every shooter I see on the range does NOT point shoot. Even then, I have no trouble point shooting a 1911, Glock, S&W 617, or Ruger 22/45. It's just not a big deal.

Pick up a Glock and shoot it for 30 minutes. Then pick up a 1911 and shoot it. Your groups may be a bit off because of the difference in trigger pull. The sights are regulated appropriately for the gun. If someone follows the fundamentals, both will "point" just fine...because the sights are set for the firearm.

In terms of point shooting...so what? Point shooting is about speed and putting rounds into bodies. If you're an inch off here or there, adjust appropriately through body position. Either way, his body is going to react to a bullet striking it...be it in the hand or heart. Once you find determine what "level" is for that gun, you'll remember it if you practice.

 

[dourdave]

For me. POINT SHOOTING is about aiming. Period.

Dave

 

[Mad Magyar]

Point shooting is about speed and putting rounds into bodies. If you're an inch off here or there, adjust appropriately through body position.

...the BG wouldn't know the difference.....I've known LEO's who still practice two-hand style under 3 to 5 yds and wouldn't have the slightest notion of firing 1-handed! I observe.....
I blame it on their instruction, not them....