Pointed Bullets in a Lever gun....
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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Lol!
And rest assured, Glocks DO Kb "all by themselves alone in the forest".
phantomak47
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Simple answer, get a Savage 99, .300 savage and .308 , pointed bullets all day long.
jjohnson
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Pointed Bullets, but just two shots
I like that idea. Okay, go ahead and load your 30-30 spitzer ammo and load just two rounds. If you miss with both shots, it's probably gone anyway. I doubt I could cycle a lever action for a well aimed third shot before whatever it was I shot at would be in high gear.
And... well, if you're that bad a shot.... maybe you need and M1A or something.
I like that idea. Okay, go ahead and load your 30-30 spitzer ammo and load just two rounds. If you miss with both shots, it's probably gone anyway. I doubt I could cycle a lever action for a well aimed third shot before whatever it was I shot at would be in high gear.
And... well, if you're that bad a shot.... maybe you need and M1A or something.
Whoever thinks that they need to try this for whatever insane reason PLEASE DO NOT DO IT AT A PUBLIC SHOOTING RANGE. I have no problem with someone deciding to disfigure themselves but try not to hurt the bystanders. Oh yeah... and do it outside so no one has to clean up the mess.
jjohnson
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+1 With Cypress
Absolutely. Not only is there a mess to clean up, and I hate being around things that detonate because somebody ELSE did something stupid,
I hate having to fill out all that paperwork and answer all the questions that have to come from the police and insurance people.
Please make sure you schedule your accidents when I'm not around. I'm too busy to fool with it.
Absolutely. Not only is there a mess to clean up, and I hate being around things that detonate because somebody ELSE did something stupid,
I hate having to fill out all that paperwork and answer all the questions that have to come from the police and insurance people.
Please make sure you schedule your accidents when I'm not around. I'm too busy to fool with it.
moooose102
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it does not take a lot of pressure to dent a primer, and once this happens, it goes off. while there does not seem like a lot of force from recoil in some guns, you have to think that there are 2 thing working against you from the get go.
#1 is the tube magazine spring. it is exerting pressure on every cartridge in the magazine, and the more rounds in the tube, the more pressure there is.
the second thing going on in there is the tiny amount of area on the tip of the bullet. with a flat point bullet, the area is greatly increased, with a pointed bullet the amount of psi drasticly increases because the area decreases to almost nothing. if a flat point bullet had a pressure of 50 psi on the bullet tip, a pointed bullet would have something like 600 psi (i am no mathamatician, and have no way of calculating the actual pressure difference) when the gun is not being fired.
now add the recoil factor into this, and the pressure would be easily tenfold of the static loading.
this is how primers get dented enough to fire. and once one goes off, all of them do. so if you have 6 rounds in the magazine, you have six times the pressure, and shrapnel plus the srapnel of the tube magazine itself as it ruptures and shreds.
JUST DON'T DO IT!!! if you want to use pointed bullets, it can be safely done. you just have to hand feed them into the chamber one at a time.
i have been doing this on and off for years with my 30-30, and i do it with round nose bullets in my 45/70.
JUST DO NOT PUT THEM IN THE TUBE MAGAZINE!
#1 is the tube magazine spring. it is exerting pressure on every cartridge in the magazine, and the more rounds in the tube, the more pressure there is.
the second thing going on in there is the tiny amount of area on the tip of the bullet. with a flat point bullet, the area is greatly increased, with a pointed bullet the amount of psi drasticly increases because the area decreases to almost nothing. if a flat point bullet had a pressure of 50 psi on the bullet tip, a pointed bullet would have something like 600 psi (i am no mathamatician, and have no way of calculating the actual pressure difference) when the gun is not being fired.
now add the recoil factor into this, and the pressure would be easily tenfold of the static loading.
this is how primers get dented enough to fire. and once one goes off, all of them do. so if you have 6 rounds in the magazine, you have six times the pressure, and shrapnel plus the srapnel of the tube magazine itself as it ruptures and shreds.
JUST DON'T DO IT!!! if you want to use pointed bullets, it can be safely done. you just have to hand feed them into the chamber one at a time.
i have been doing this on and off for years with my 30-30, and i do it with round nose bullets in my 45/70.
JUST DO NOT PUT THEM IN THE TUBE MAGAZINE!
The Lone Haranguer
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You can use pointed bullets if you make your lever action a two-shot (one chambered and one in the magazine, or two in the magazine and the lever cycled just before you wish to fire). The problem here is that you may forget and load more than one (or two).
ocharry
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i know this isn't a 30-30 but during the cowboy years of my shooting career,,,i have seen two henry rifles do the detonation thing,,and they were loaded with RNFP bullets in 45 cal.,,,,one i was about 10 feet away from and it was in the hands of a good friend of mine
on both occasions the follower slipped from the hand while loading
when the magazine is full and the follower is put down on the loaded rounds it has about 4" to fall to the rounds,, well it is the spring that is forcing the follower down hard on the rounds
while that may be more forceful than a round being recoiled upon while loaded in a magazine,, they are flat nose bullets
the result of a detonation is really ugly,,,,,lucky for my bud he had a glove on his left hand,,,,it still took a few stitches,,,,rifle was a wreck,,he never fixed it,,said he would use it to remind him and to look at
there are a lot of guys using henry rifles in cowboy action shooting and have no trouble,, and they look cool too,,,,,but it only takes one time to screw things up
i guess it's kinda like a chain fire in a cap&ball revolver,,,,,once it starts,, there is no stopping it
does it happen alot? no,,, could it happen? yes,,,would it happen with pointy bullets???? i'm betting you wouldn't have to wait long on that one
my .02
ocharry
on both occasions the follower slipped from the hand while loading
when the magazine is full and the follower is put down on the loaded rounds it has about 4" to fall to the rounds,, well it is the spring that is forcing the follower down hard on the rounds
while that may be more forceful than a round being recoiled upon while loaded in a magazine,, they are flat nose bullets
the result of a detonation is really ugly,,,,,lucky for my bud he had a glove on his left hand,,,,it still took a few stitches,,,,rifle was a wreck,,he never fixed it,,said he would use it to remind him and to look at
there are a lot of guys using henry rifles in cowboy action shooting and have no trouble,, and they look cool too,,,,,but it only takes one time to screw things up
i guess it's kinda like a chain fire in a cap&ball revolver,,,,,once it starts,, there is no stopping it
does it happen alot? no,,, could it happen? yes,,,would it happen with pointy bullets???? i'm betting you wouldn't have to wait long on that one
my .02
ocharry
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You've obviously never taped BBs to pimed shells and tossed them in the air like... someone I know.
fastbike
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The pressure would increase by a factor equal to the difference between the squares of the two diameters.
The whole thing may be an urban myth, but I'm not willing to test it in my lever gun.
"the second thing going on in there is the tiny amount of area on the tip of the bullet. with a flat point bullet, the area is greatly increased, with a pointed bullet the amount of psi drasticly increases because the area decreases to almost nothing. if a flat point bullet had a pressure of 50 psi on the bullet tip, a pointed bullet would have something like 600 psi (i am no mathamatician, and have no way of calculating the actual pressure difference) when the gun is not being fired. "
The whole thing may be an urban myth, but I'm not willing to test it in my lever gun.
"the second thing going on in there is the tiny amount of area on the tip of the bullet. with a flat point bullet, the area is greatly increased, with a pointed bullet the amount of psi drasticly increases because the area decreases to almost nothing. if a flat point bullet had a pressure of 50 psi on the bullet tip, a pointed bullet would have something like 600 psi (i am no mathamatician, and have no way of calculating the actual pressure difference) when the gun is not being fired. "
I have seen the result of a magazine detonation in a repro Henry rifle. My local gunsmith had it in for examination. I believe it was the result of the magazine follower slipping as in ocharry's post. The damage wasn't too bad - mag tube was split and some fore-end damage. The shooter apparently had some splinters in his hand but was pretty lucky.
The strange thing was the rounds were still in the mag tube and the bullets had set back into the cases (some had split) and were rattling around in there.
Phil
The strange thing was the rounds were still in the mag tube and the bullets had set back into the cases (some had split) and were rattling around in there.
Phil
ImARugerFan
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Hornady fixed this question for you by creating leverevolution, just use that.
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