fmjcafe
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I`ve got to wonder, if AQ sets off more bombs in Spain because they are infidels, will they all rush to convert to Islam?
Poland to hang tough - Chides Spain
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Rascal
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Quote from Adam
"Hello from Warsaw!
Spanish declarations are very dangerous for us. It's like clear message for Al Kaida - try it again it's working. We are next country on the list, but we are as ready as we can be. I pray for our safety, but even the worst scenario can't change our course. Kick the Pole in the junk, and he will hit you in the face two times harder...no second Spain for sure. We are together, and we will be. Only during the trouble times you can find out who is your real ally. God bless America and God bless Poland. I hope I will become with my family a part of your great country some day..."
Hello Adam,
God Bless you and your countrymen. It's good to see that there are others that will fight the good fight.
"Hello from Warsaw!
Spanish declarations are very dangerous for us. It's like clear message for Al Kaida - try it again it's working. We are next country on the list, but we are as ready as we can be. I pray for our safety, but even the worst scenario can't change our course. Kick the Pole in the junk, and he will hit you in the face two times harder...no second Spain for sure. We are together, and we will be. Only during the trouble times you can find out who is your real ally. God bless America and God bless Poland. I hope I will become with my family a part of your great country some day..."
Hello Adam,
God Bless you and your countrymen. It's good to see that there are others that will fight the good fight.
Carlos
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Greetings Adam. I'm glad you're with us.
BowStreetRunner
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Right on Adam
BSR
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Il Duce
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Dziêkujê Polska!!!!
Makes me proud to be of Polish heritage. Thanks for the good word, Adam. Hope you can make it to the good ol' USA soon. I'd like to make a trip to Poland myself sometime.
Dziêkujê Polska!!!
Il Duce
I think I'm going to get a tattoo of the Polish flag...
Makes me proud to be of Polish heritage. Thanks for the good word, Adam. Hope you can make it to the good ol' USA soon. I'd like to make a trip to Poland myself sometime.
Dziêkujê Polska!!!
Il Duce
I think I'm going to get a tattoo of the Polish flag...
Sergeant Bob
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Thanks for the support Adam! You're more American than alot of the so-called citizens over here.
Hope you get your visa and get over here. If you do and open that restaurant (?) you were talking about, make sure you bring in some of that Polish beer! That's some pretty good stuff!
Hope you get your visa and get over here. If you do and open that restaurant (?) you were talking about, make sure you bring in some of that Polish beer! That's some pretty good stuff!
Adam
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Thank you friends. It's good to be here on THR. If you never saw a real Poland, please visit www.glocktalk.com and find a thread posted by axel - "Who's with me? To Poland we go! ". You probably know that Poland is poor and proud country in the Eastern part of Europe, but you will find that quite beautiful also...
Grayrider
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When I was working briefly in the Pentagon a few years back, Poland was getting ready to join NATO. We were having some trouble with the Serbs at the time, and not every NATO country (read France) was willing to do their part to help out. Poland was not only willing but eager to do anything we needed. The Polish defense atache was continually expressing his support for America, and wanted to do anything he could to assist us. I was quite impressed. The message I got was clear--we helped liberate Poland from communism by bringing down the USSR, and they wanted to be there for us whenever we needed them. One would think France could learn something from that. I won't tell you how they acted--you can guess.
I will always hold the Polish armed forces in great respect. Those guys (such as the GROM teams) are top notch, and I think the future will show that we have a great ally in Poland when times are tough. I also should say that some other Eastern European countries may act in a very similar fashion when they get the chance. Keep an eye on those former Warsaw Pact states. They know evil when they see it, and many will fight to stop it.
GR
I will always hold the Polish armed forces in great respect. Those guys (such as the GROM teams) are top notch, and I think the future will show that we have a great ally in Poland when times are tough. I also should say that some other Eastern European countries may act in a very similar fashion when they get the chance. Keep an eye on those former Warsaw Pact states. They know evil when they see it, and many will fight to stop it.
GR
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Edward429451
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Short lived...
No, they're not pulling troops out or withdrawing their alliance with the US. Merely stating that they know they were lied to, big difference.
We as American citizens do the same thing pretty much, except the sheeple. This simply indicates that the poles are not sheeple. Yay Poland.
"Polish chicks make great wives"
No, they're not pulling troops out or withdrawing their alliance with the US. Merely stating that they know they were lied to, big difference.
We as American citizens do the same thing pretty much, except the sheeple. This simply indicates that the poles are not sheeple. Yay Poland.
"Polish chicks make great wives"
mercedesrules
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Poles come to senses
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq
MR
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=4&u=/ap/20040318/ap_on_re_eu/poland_iraq
MR
Edward429451
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Whoops, comprehension brain fart?
At any rate, the fact that they are considering pulling out is stated to be due to the fact that they know they were lied to and because of any terrorist threats or attacks. Who can really blame anyone for not wanting to be friends anymore after they realize they were lied to, hmm?
Poles are thinking people and I respect that. If they do pull out it won't be a knee jerk reaction to a terr attack like Spain.
At any rate, the fact that they are considering pulling out is stated to be due to the fact that they know they were lied to and because of any terrorist threats or attacks. Who can really blame anyone for not wanting to be friends anymore after they realize they were lied to, hmm?
Poles are thinking people and I respect that. If they do pull out it won't be a knee jerk reaction to a terr attack like Spain.
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"Naturally, one may protest the reasons for the war action in Iraq. I personally think that today, Iraq without Saddam Hussein is a truly better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told the European reporters.
We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."
Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.
A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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That is a far cry from 90% opposed as it is the case in places like Spain or France.
What are the figures for US these days ?
"Naturally, one may protest the reasons for the war action in Iraq. I personally think that today, Iraq without Saddam Hussein is a truly better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told the European reporters.
We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."
Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.
A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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That is a far cry from 90% opposed as it is the case in places like Spain or France.
What are the figures for US these days ?
Adam
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President Aleksander Kwasniewski said Thursday Poland, a staunch supporter of last year's U.S.-led war on Iraq, felt misled into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
He said, however, that he believed the U.S.-led intervention had turned Iraq into a better place and that Poland had no intention of pulling out its troops there.
"I believe...that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told a news conference.
"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.
Kwasniewski said Poland could not verify information about Saddam's suspected weapons, which have not been found in Iraq despite efforts by the occupying U.S. forces, but had no choice but to believe that the threat had been real.
"We have to treat as a potential threat not only the fact of weapons of mass destruction, but also a certain aura that such weapons could be there," said Kwasniewski, blaming weak intelligence by anti-Saddam allies.
Poland's role in Iraq, where it now controls a stabilization zone, has irked European heavyweights Germany and France ahead of the post-communist state's European Union accession in May.
Kwasniewski's remarks signal Poland's growing discomfort at being involved in Iraq after Spain's incoming socialist government pledged to pull the country out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.
"We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."
Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.
A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Now I'm sure it's political game. Kwasniewski promised Poles a hard fight for visas. He returned to Poland with nothing some time ago. Read beetwen the lines. It's looks like he want something from President Bush IMO. I really want to make a move. I'm tired of our leaders too...Now take it easy, Poland will stay in Iraq. It's just a game
He said, however, that he believed the U.S.-led intervention had turned Iraq into a better place and that Poland had no intention of pulling out its troops there.
"I believe...that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski told a news conference.
"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.
Kwasniewski said Poland could not verify information about Saddam's suspected weapons, which have not been found in Iraq despite efforts by the occupying U.S. forces, but had no choice but to believe that the threat had been real.
"We have to treat as a potential threat not only the fact of weapons of mass destruction, but also a certain aura that such weapons could be there," said Kwasniewski, blaming weak intelligence by anti-Saddam allies.
Poland's role in Iraq, where it now controls a stabilization zone, has irked European heavyweights Germany and France ahead of the post-communist state's European Union accession in May.
Kwasniewski's remarks signal Poland's growing discomfort at being involved in Iraq after Spain's incoming socialist government pledged to pull the country out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.
"We are facing the same threat as Spain," Kwasniewski said, but "terrorism must be combatted, also with force."
Kwasniewski is a key Bush ally in Europe, although support for the military presence in Iraq has been far from overwhelming among Poles.
A poll last week found 42 percent of adults in favor and 53 percent opposed. The CBOS survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Now I'm sure it's political game. Kwasniewski promised Poles a hard fight for visas. He returned to Poland with nothing some time ago. Read beetwen the lines. It's looks like he want something from President Bush IMO. I really want to make a move. I'm tired of our leaders too...Now take it easy, Poland will stay in Iraq. It's just a game
Adam
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Little updated information:
WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland, a key U.S. ally in Iraq, admitted on Thursday it felt misled into believing Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction but vowed not to follow Spain's example by pulling troops out of the country.
President Aleksander Kwasniewski defended Poland's decision to break ranks with Germany and France and side with the United States over Iraq, telling a group of European reporters that Iraqis deserved to be freed of Saddam.
"I believe... that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski said.
But he stunned his audience by openly saying what many pro-U.S. officials only dare say in private about the main justification for the war.
"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.
No such weapons have been found since U.S.-led forces deposed Saddam in April last year.
The timing of his remarks could upset Washington, coming soon after Spain's incoming Socialist government pledged to pull its troops out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.
A senior Polish diplomat insisted Kwasniewski's remarks should not be interpreted as any weakening of Poland's resolve to see things through in Iraq, where coalition troops come under daily attack from insurgents.
"His statement by no means indicates that our alliance with the U.S. is weakening," the diplomat said.
GROWING DOUBTS?
Poland, the biggest ex-communist country joining the European Union in May, is a staunch U.S. ally.
It has steadfastly defended NATO's role in European security and risked the wrath of France and Germany by backing the military campaign launched nearly a year ago that ousted Saddam.
Unlike in many other European countries, Polish public opinion was initially in favor of intervening in Iraq.
And many Poles were proud the United States picked the former Warsaw Pact stalwart to run one of the stabilization zones there.
But continued violence in Iraq has dented support for the mission and some right-wing and populist parties have raised their voices in demanding that troops be pulled back.
Poland's discomfort also grew when the incoming Spanish government signaled it was going to adopt the French and German line on Iraq, leaving Poland more isolated ahead of a crucial EU summit next week.
WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland, a key U.S. ally in Iraq, admitted on Thursday it felt misled into believing Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction but vowed not to follow Spain's example by pulling troops out of the country.
President Aleksander Kwasniewski defended Poland's decision to break ranks with Germany and France and side with the United States over Iraq, telling a group of European reporters that Iraqis deserved to be freed of Saddam.
"I believe... that Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein, is a much better place than Iraq with Saddam Hussein," Kwasniewski said.
But he stunned his audience by openly saying what many pro-U.S. officials only dare say in private about the main justification for the war.
"Of course I feel a certain discomfort that we were misled about weapons of mass destruction," he said.
No such weapons have been found since U.S.-led forces deposed Saddam in April last year.
The timing of his remarks could upset Washington, coming soon after Spain's incoming Socialist government pledged to pull its troops out of Iraq in the wake of deadly bomb attacks in Madrid on March 11.
A senior Polish diplomat insisted Kwasniewski's remarks should not be interpreted as any weakening of Poland's resolve to see things through in Iraq, where coalition troops come under daily attack from insurgents.
"His statement by no means indicates that our alliance with the U.S. is weakening," the diplomat said.
GROWING DOUBTS?
Poland, the biggest ex-communist country joining the European Union in May, is a staunch U.S. ally.
It has steadfastly defended NATO's role in European security and risked the wrath of France and Germany by backing the military campaign launched nearly a year ago that ousted Saddam.
Unlike in many other European countries, Polish public opinion was initially in favor of intervening in Iraq.
And many Poles were proud the United States picked the former Warsaw Pact stalwart to run one of the stabilization zones there.
But continued violence in Iraq has dented support for the mission and some right-wing and populist parties have raised their voices in demanding that troops be pulled back.
Poland's discomfort also grew when the incoming Spanish government signaled it was going to adopt the French and German line on Iraq, leaving Poland more isolated ahead of a crucial EU summit next week.
Adam
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The President of Poland has just denounced the information of AFP correspodent that "Poland was misled by coalition partners regarding the WMD in Iraq". During his special press conferance he said that the french correspondent gave false translation of his words and misled the public opinion of the world. The President of Polandd actually said that "all the information about the Iraqi chemical weapon that we gathered turned out to be misleading and incomplete".
Adam
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Statement of the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland from the site : http://www.polandembassy.org/
Due to misinterpretations pertaining to the President’s remarks given during his meeting with the press on March 18, 2004, the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland has been authorized to issue the following:
1. The essence of the President’s message in his remarks to the press on March 18, 2004 has been a restated presentation of reasons and purposes of Polish involvement in the process of stabilization and democratization of Iraq. “Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein is truly a better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein†the President said. He also warned of political decisions, which would lead to destabilization of the situation in Iraq. Poland will not withdraw from Iraq until the mission of stabilization is successfully accomplished and counts on effective cooperation with the United States, Great Britain, Spain and other NATO and UN member states.
2. The President of the Republic of Poland reminded that Saddam Hussein misled the world in believing that he had had the weapons of mass destruction and might use them. This was the essential reason to take up the mission in Iraq within a common strategy of a multinational coalition in the war on terrorism.
3. The President of the Republic of Poland stated that a decisive factor in fighting terrorism is to maintain unity and solidarity by democratic states. Demonstration of weakness in the face of terrorist attacks aims at the foundations of democracy and security of all nations and world peace.
Due to misinterpretations pertaining to the President’s remarks given during his meeting with the press on March 18, 2004, the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland has been authorized to issue the following:
1. The essence of the President’s message in his remarks to the press on March 18, 2004 has been a restated presentation of reasons and purposes of Polish involvement in the process of stabilization and democratization of Iraq. “Iraq today, without Saddam Hussein is truly a better Iraq than with Saddam Hussein†the President said. He also warned of political decisions, which would lead to destabilization of the situation in Iraq. Poland will not withdraw from Iraq until the mission of stabilization is successfully accomplished and counts on effective cooperation with the United States, Great Britain, Spain and other NATO and UN member states.
2. The President of the Republic of Poland reminded that Saddam Hussein misled the world in believing that he had had the weapons of mass destruction and might use them. This was the essential reason to take up the mission in Iraq within a common strategy of a multinational coalition in the war on terrorism.
3. The President of the Republic of Poland stated that a decisive factor in fighting terrorism is to maintain unity and solidarity by democratic states. Demonstration of weakness in the face of terrorist attacks aims at the foundations of democracy and security of all nations and world peace.
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Baba Louie
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Oh My God.
Do you mean to tell me that it wasn't GWB that said Iraq had WMD, it was the acual leader of Iraq? Surely thats a mistake. All I hear about here is that our President said that, never ever have I read or heard anything in our media that SH claimed to have them, only that GWB lied about them having them so he could get American's killed while siphoning out all of Iraq's precious black gold for his own personal gain.
Adam, I thank you, yet again. And I thank your people and your leaders, still yet again.
Amazing. Someone should tell the American press.
fix
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That's a relief. I thought the Poles had gone soft for a minute there. That would have been a first for me.
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