Police And Citizens Running Out Of Ammo

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I haven't posted here in a while but would imagine someone has brought up the face that Texas (and probably other states) are running out of ammo:

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By Todd Bensman - Express-News
As firearms instructor for the Dimmit County Sheriff's Office, Deputy Robert Mendoza was preparing the annual rite of weapons qualification for his tiny department's 14 officers when he ran into an unprecedented hitch. There seemed to be no handgun ammunition for sale anywhere in South Texas.

“We usually go to Wal-Mart and buy whatever,” Mendoza said. “But this time we went out to get it and there was none available. Then we go to Eagle Pass. None available. Hondo. None available. Everywhere we went it was the same answer. Finally, we called to Beeville and they had some. But by the time we got there the next day it was gone.”

After checking every store on a round trip to a conference in Louisiana, Mendoza finally found a supply last week — from a Fort Worth shop that agreed to ship some .40-caliber rounds to the border county southwest of San Antonio.

In his frustration, Mendoza has company across Texas and the nation. Not all police agencies are experiencing problems from the ammunition shortage, especially large departments such as the San Antonio Police Department that buy in bulk through manufacturer intermediaries. But gun store owners and industry officials report a shortage-inducing mania of buying ammunition that fits assault-style semiautomatic rifles and almost all handguns.

The most frequent explanation is the election of President Barack Obama, a majority of Democrats to the House and nearly enough in the Senate to block Republican filibusters. Volume-buying customers are fearful that laws are on the way to restrict the sale of handguns, along with assault-style rifles, a ban on which was allowed to expire in 2004.

It all began in the days before and immediately after the November election with a run on assault-style rifles and handguns in anticipation that the Democrats would move quickly to restrict sales of both. A rush for ammunition used in those firearms naturally followed, according to storeowners and industry officials.





More recently, the buying spree has been fueled by new congressional and administration focus on the illegal smuggling of U.S. firearms to Mexico's bloody drug war with traffickers. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has been pressing of late for an assault gun ban on grounds that it would help Mexico keep such U.S. weapons from the drug cartels. Attorney General Eric Holder last month suggested that the Obama administration favors reinstituting the ban.

“People are very, very scared of the administration,” said Johnny Dury, who runs popular gun store Dury's in San Antonio and can barely stay up with demand. “Nothing of it (new legislation) has really gone through, but there is just panic buying across the country. I'm out of 60 percent of my stuff.”

Neither the Obama administration nor anyone in Congress has floated any proposal that has gained traction. In January, Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois, reintroduced a previously failed bill that would require licenses to buy guns or ammunition, but it has attracted no co-sponsors and has not advanced beyond committee.

Some San Antonio shops, such as Nagel's Gun Shop, have resorted to limiting sales of certain kinds of ammunition so they don't run out. Others in South Texas report bare shelves and back orders running weeks or months behind.

“It's been happening ever since November,” one employee of the Pleasanton Wal-Mart store said. “They're afraid. We reorder every day. I'd be here all day telling you what's run out. ”

The war in Iraq may be another reason for a further squeeze on supply. The Bexar County Sheriff's Office has felt the pinch of rationing for a couple of years now, but not because of politics. Deputy Darrell Sanders, who works at the academy, said the war created shortages of metals and minerals to make ammunition. The department has had to monitor supplies carefully while waiting for back-ordered replenishments, he said.

But much of the current spike seems owing to the election. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group representing more than 4,000 manufacturers, distributors and retailers, won't have year-over-year ammunition sales figures until next month. But its numbers show a sharp jump in the sale of handguns and semiautomatic rifles starting in November.

Those figures include a 42 percent increase in background checks required for new firearms in November 2008 over November 2007, a 28 percent jump for January compared with the previous January and a 23 percent rise for February over the previous one.

The nation's three major ammunition manufacturers either did not return phone calls or referred a reporter to the shooting sports foundation.

But Jim Broering, president of national ammunition distributor AcuSport, which buys from the manufacturers and sells to more than 4,000 stores in 50 states, said all three are producing round the clock to keep up with unprecedented demand.





Broering's business in handgun ammunition was up 137 percent in March over the previous March, and rifle ammunition was up 89 percent, led by the .223-caliber rounds that commonly fit assault-style rifles such as the Colt AR-15.

He said some of the increase is the result of demand created by the handgun purchases, accompanied by rumors of government plans to tax the ammunition.

“Once you have a gun, if they take the ammo away, what do you have?” Broering said.

The sight of empty shelves in itself may be driving demand, causing consumers to buy as much as possible to lock in current prices. They're also nervous that rising crime will follow the nation's deepening economic recession, Broering said.

Darrel Brownlow of Floresville said he worried about what the Democrats might try to do to help Mexico keep U.S. guns out of cartel hands. But he mainly counts himself among ammunition buyers who want to have enough at a decent price. He said he and his family like having hundreds of rounds for target shooting around the ranch.

He was in Dury's recently to buy a flash suppressor for his semiautomatic assault-style rifle and to pick up whatever ammunition he could find for it.

There wasn't much to buy.

“I'm buying now because it's hard to get,” Brownlow said. “I've been buying lots of ammo, more in the first three months than in all of last year.”



Strong demand



Panic buying?

I went to an independent gun shop Saturday. They're selling lead .38 (box of 50) for $39.99 Limit 2.

Box of 50 .38 Super Auto JHP for $59.99. These prices are befor taxes. Limit 2

Wal Mart and Academy say the truck comes at 8:30 twice a week. Take your chances. No increase in price, I'll give them that. But they ship one caliber per truckload! Today it was .40 cal. only.

Anyone else having a rough time? I mean average Joe's like myself that don't self load.
 
I'm having a hard time understanding who these people are exactly that keep snatching the ammo in such large amounts. I can understand a truckload one week, but from week to week it seems to be the same guy or group of guys that buy everything that the store just received.

My guess is, there are a lot of hypocrites out there that are moaning and throwing a fit over this whole price inflation and ammo shortage that voted for Obama. I can wait it out, still find enough stuff to reload some shells for some summer target shooting and enough for hunting season. This madness can't last forever, and 300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag doesn't seem to be the top priority of those hoarding all of the ammo.

I'll actually give credit to Wal-Mart this time. They're trying to limit the amount purchased by a single party at a time. It's not the most effective method, but at least they can say "No, you can't buy all 20 boxes of 9mm....I'll let you have 3."

Now, 3 months ago my local Wal-Mart had full shelves and I had no problem finding the ammo I like to shoot or needed to put a few extra rounds back. But then, like all of a sudden, people must of gotten word about this and freaked the hell out, drove to Wal-Mart and stocked their shelves. Its stupid. My Wal-Mart has the shelves stocked from left to right with shotgun, rimfire, pistol, then rifle calibers. From the rimfire to the first part of rifle is cleared out. I should have jumped the gun 3 months ago and got what I needed instead of waiting to get a job. Still no job, and definitely no ammo.
 
I tell ya Bang, it's rough down here. I agree about Wal-Mart and their limit. They also aren't raising prices. Figure people will remember that later on. The fact that dozens of small PD's are either out or nearly out of ammo is scary. Here we are 140 miles (2.5 hours) from Mexico where the Boarder Patrol has confiscated .50cal BAR's..made in the US and accurate over a mile. Gun running is replacing dope in the bloody wars along the Rio Grande.

I don't want to pay $39.99 + tax for .38 lead wad cutters. I've got a small amount of primo .38 125Gr SJHP's, .357 and 650 rounds of 9mm (good quality)that I'd trade if that's allowed at gun shows.

Good Luck!
 
Maybe they will pass another entitlement bill
or better yet, a stimulus package and we will all get 5000
rounds of the ammo of our choice. :D

What say you comrades. :p
 
People waiting to 'look' for ammo in these times should be better informed. This is April and there has been a 'run' on ammo and guns since the elections and to just ignore these facts is just plain dumb!!! This is not just an internet discussion, but has been on every major news media outlet almost weekly!!!

The police requisition officer should have been looking and known the situation long before they 'decided' to re-qualify. I'm sure that the dates of the training have long been known, so the old saying..........'you snooze, you loose' comes to mind.

I can still find plenty of ammo on the internet in just a few minutes and a phone call to confirm (and purchase) that the business still has some takes only a few minutes more. They (and everyone else now) should know better!!!
 
I have heard of gun shops sending an employee over to Wal-Mart to wait for the shipment when it comes in and buy all they have (told this locally at my Wal-Mart).

They then take it back to their store and mark it way up, what a shame.
 
I've seen plenty of ammo online. It's not hard to get ammo if you actually have money.
 
I can find duty ammo like +P and gold-dot ammo, but plinking ammo is GONE. I have not found any practice-popular ammo in a month now.
 
Also remember the Wall Street Journal article about financial advisors telling their clients to "invest" in ammo.

These are people with big resources, buying large quantities of ammo, and they don't shoot!:banghead:

The "ammo investors" are more contemptible to me than the hoarders.

Bob
 
I have been down to Eagle Pass. I have had many lunches sitting on the hill at the sonic there many summers while awaiting loading. Beautiful place.

You have to REALLY want to get down that way to get there.

Even Eagle Pass has Internet.

Why, oh why do people feel the need to go to a Walmart? They have pretty much gotten out of the gun business around my area except for a few pathetic little boxes of game shot. (Not that they are pathetic, they will come in handy for feeding on Church Pidgeons in really hard times)

Go online to Cabelas and other ammuntion suppliers and buy it online, let the UPS man do the driving for you.


Is it possible... even remotely possible to think for one second what we are seeing is the different between the have internet and the have no internet?

Haves? Have nots?

The Haves order online.

Have nots must travel miles and miles for nothing.

Is that the real problem?
 
funny, I've not had a prob finding any of the standard chamberings. They are just more then I will pay.
 
Hungry Seagull:

Is it possible... even remotely possible to think for one second what we are seeing is the different between the have internet and the have no internet?

Haves? Have nots?

The Haves order online.

Have nots must travel miles and miles for nothing.

Is that the real problem?

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In my case, no.

I reload for 45 acp and .223.

No primers anywhere locally or on-line. (SR and LP)

Powder is available locally hit-or miss. Sold out on line.

When bullets for 45 ACP got hard to get, I considered casting. The MOLDS are sold out at Midway USA and Grafs. UGH.

Please scour the internet to find SR and LP primers (at non-speculative prices). I honestly would like to be wrong.

When I say "non-speculative" I mean less than about $45-$50 per 1000. I have, unfortunately paid that much recently, up from about $25 a few months ago. I have heard of primers on auction sites at over $100 per 1000, but I am not ready to go that high yet.

I am thinking about building a flintlock. Really.

Bob
 
I will take a look tonight and see what is out there.

But can tell you that some shops in my area pretty much out of BP in those little containers. Either that or have it locked up somewhere away.
 
Is it possible... even remotely possible to think for one second what we are seeing is the different between the have internet and the have no internet?

Haves? Have nots?

The Haves order online.

Have nots must travel miles and miles for nothing.

Is that the real problem?

Hungry Seagull, in this case I would love to be proven completely wrong. If you can find Federal Value Pack .22 LR online anywhere in stock at a non-speculative price and I will gladly and publicly announce that I was wrong and there is no shortage. As it is, I cannot find it in stock anywhere, I have email alerts set up to let me know when it shows up as in stock from all the major vendors and it has been weeks and nothing has even come in. Please prove me wrong, but PM me first so there isn't a stampede. :)
 
Well, lousy news. But I did like the article's use of "assault style rifles" to describe certain semiautomatic rifles. It points out cosmetic features without falsely calling them "assault rifles" or "assault weapons". Nice to see some precision of language from the press.
 
Here we are 140 miles (2.5 hours) from Mexico where the Boarder Patrol has confiscated .50cal BAR's..made in the US and accurate over a mile. Gun running is replacing dope in the bloody wars along the Rio Grande.

I'm sorry you believe that BS. :)
 
“It's been happening ever since November,” one employee of the Pleasanton Wal-Mart store said. “They're afraid. We reorder every day. I'd be here all day telling you what's run out. ”

Not sure how this person speaks for this particular Wal-Mart as the Pleasanton, CA Wal-Mart does not sell ammo. At least they didn't 3 months ago.

I only know of 4 Wal-Marts in the Bay Area that sell ammo: Mountain View, Milpitas, Tracy, and Gilroy.

-MW
 
My shop has a ton of ammo is every flavor.

Deleware Dan, you writing with invisible ink or something? I can't believe your message has not been acknowledged. Hopefully, those having trouble finding ammo have already given you a call.
 
Deleware Dan, you writing with invisible ink or something? I can't believe your message has not been acknowledged. Hopefully, those having trouble finding ammo have already given you a call.

I doubt they have. Seems most of the loudest complainers want ammo basically given to them. They want Wal-mart prices and would probably faint at the thought of paying for shipping.
 
There are factions out there that want to bankrupt and shut down gunmakers and ammo makers. This situation with the police might be a hint of what their world will be like if they succeed. But I would like to see NYPD and Chicago PD and Washington D.C. PD feel the heat too. Can you imagine the news coverage on that one?
 
There are factions out there that want to bankrupt and shut down gunmakers and ammo makers.

Which groups are these that are activly doing it? Which ones of those have the funds to do that?
 
Do you think I could get a government grant to study the ammo supply situation? Could take a couple years and several million.
 
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