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I live on twenty acres and shoot all the time. When I go outside on a nice day on my Missouri property, I can hear neighbors from miles around doing the same thing. Yep, I hear bullfrogs croaking, birds chirping, turkeys gobbling, and GUNFIRE. It is the backstop, not the distance of potential bullet travel, that matters. Heck, if we all had to have a mile or more beyond our target most informal target shooting east of Central Kansas would disappear. I have been target shooting on this place for 25 years and no bullets have left the property.

And, yes, it is all legal. I believe very few states have any restrictions on this type of activity. I feel for those folks that live in those that do.
 
If hunting, I have to be a certain distance from a public Rd. Other than that, there is no min ac required to shoot. Local County Com's here proposed a required distance from property lines to shoot and that would have restricted most people in this county from shooting, but the proposed rule failed to pass.
 
Neighbors who think they should call the law every time they hear gunshots are often the main problem. The deputies response was very bad for sure but they wouldn't be there in the first place if the neighbor had just minded his/her own business.
 
I live on twenty acres and shoot all the time. When I go outside on a nice day on my Missouri property, I can hear neighbors from miles around doing the same thing. Yep, I hear bullfrogs croaking, birds chirping, turkeys gobbling, and GUNFIRE. It is the backstop, not the distance of potential bullet travel, that matters. Heck, if we all had to have a mile or more beyond our target most informal target shooting east of Central Kansas would disappear. I have been target shooting on this place for 25 years and no bullets have left the property.

And, yes, it is all legal. I believe very few states have any restrictions on this type of activity. I feel for those folks that live in those that do.
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I live in Kansas, on about 45 acres, if you are like me, when you are out and about and you hear the gun shots, it's kinda soothing or satisfying, not sure which. Just nice to know Americans can still be Americans out here in the country.

When I was a kid, we lived on the side of the road that wasn't in the city limits, on 2.5 acres, never had a problem target shooting there. There were houses all along the road we lived on and some on the road just beyond ours. Just about every boy in the neighborhood had a 22 rifle and we'd gather for some target shooting at someone's house, never once was the police called.
 
When you get a call of someone firing a gun, you don't know what's going on. The police response was correct initially. They should have verified state and county laws and if he was doing nothing illegal, they should have freed him right there. If he was doing something illegal then he should have been ticketed and or arrested if the law permits.

The search of his home without a warrant is completely against the law. This coming from California doesn't surprise me at all. They have had numerous court cases that delt with searches without warrants (such as warrant less searches of homicide and fire scenes) that went all the way to the US supreme court before being overthrown as unconstitutional. There seems to be an issue with training in that state.
 
When you get a call of someone firing a gun, you don't know what's going on. The police response was correct initially. They should have verified state and county laws and if he was doing nothing illegal, they should have freed him right there. If he was doing something illegal then he should have been ticketed and or arrested if the law permits.
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IMO, the police were in the wrong as soon as they stepped foot on this man’s property. They had no reason to believe a crime was being committed. If discharging a firearm was illegal, it would be different. Any LEO that would handcuff someone while they determined whether or not there was a law that prohibits what the person is doing is a real piece of work and should be fired and placed on trial for violating someone’s constitutional rights. FYI: The posted signs around my property are there for all to read and adhere to.
 
I gotta say, this is so terribly frightening I couldn't finish watching the first video. Talk about horror movies. And these are the folks we entrust our lives to on a daily basis

Finally watched 'em all. Man, that's just wrong.
 
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I mentioned that I live on 3.3 acres. On either side of me there are 3 to 5 acre lots. The houses aren't too far from each other. If I was shooting into a berm on my property, it would be pretty noisy for the neighbor. Yes, we're outside of town and you expect to hear lawn mowers, tractors other power equipment,etc. But I'm a shooter and wouldn't want to have to sit on my back porch listening to my neighbor blast away. Now, If I lived where there were maybe 20 acre or larger parcels and you would hear a little more distant gunfire, no problem. But even on a few acres, with houses only a couple of hundred feet apart, it's too noisy. Mark
 
In Missouri you can shoot on private property of at least 10 acres, providing there are no local / municipal ordinances outlawing the discharge of a firearm.

Target shooting on Dept of Conservation land is only permitted at designated ranges.

Target shooting in the Mark Twain National forest is permitted any time, and almost anywhere (only a few small designated areas off-limits) provided you are at least 100 yards ( I think ) away from a campground or structure, and you can't shoot across a roadway, designated trail, or over a pond/lake.
 
I am so sick of idiots like this that I won't even read it. It's too freaking depressing, we need to remove them from power. Vote in people with common sense. These deputies are a reflection of the guy they work for, obviouslly he needs to go.Remember his name when the next election for sherriff comes up, and remind your friends.
 
We were dove shooting on private land(inside police jurisdiction) when the local police chief drove up to see what was going on. A citizen had called in a complaint saying that a bullet had struck his home. The house was over a quarter mile away and we were using shotguns with bird shot. When the landowner(my cousin) informed the chief what was going on and that it was going to continue he was satisfied. It did help that I was there,being on the city council at the time and having personally written the towns reckless discharge ordinance. This was in a retirement community(Highland Lake,Al.) that had an influx of out-of-staters unfamiliar with our shooting culture.
 
Dishonor of the Badge and those called Judges

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Watching, listening, made me feel like I was watching a cancer at work -

Beyond depressing, :mad:


Ls
 
stl_303 said:
In Missouri you can shoot on private property of at least 10 acres, providing there are no local / municipal ordinances outlawing the discharge of a firearm.
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I don't believe that law exists in Missouri. Citation? I am quite familiar with Missouri's firearm laws and have never noted this or heard of this. Who told you this falsehood?
 
So was the rifle the cop wanted sold at the

POLICE SEIZURE AUCTION? And do certain civil servants have the privilege of procurement before seized items go to public auction?

Ah, hell, let's just vote it so, counsel men. If you believe our finest in blue should not have the best in firearms, then you must be unpatriotic.

I would very much want to learn what became of this? If the man's guns were not returned to him, perhaps as a group we could help champion justice?

Any guys with keys to the gate that continue to keep jumping the gate ought to be fired on their stupidity, never mind their outright lies and criminal behavior.
 
The Equal Justice Foundation believes:
• Citizens should not be torn from their homes and children in the middle of the night based on nothing more than hearsay.
• Men and women should not be presumed guilty until they can prove their innocence.
• A secret tribunal should not have the power to force a man from his home without notice or hearing.
• Police should not have the right to enter and search a citizen's home without a warrant.
• Citizens should not be imprisoned based only on hearsay.
• Citizens should not be more afraid of the police than they are of criminals.
• A legal system that tolerates perjury and the subornation of perjury can not produce justice.
• Men should not be censured by public officials for crimes they have not committed.
• Men and women should not be made to work as indentured servants or held in thrall to others for acts they have not committed.


I think LEOs have to put up with a lot of schit these days and in the process mistakes can be made but once a mistake is made then the best thing is to be honest and not to try to hide it or frame anyone. So assuming this all played like it has been broadcaster any public servants should be the first to be constantly reminded of the rights granted to everyone by the constitution and the oath they took to protect them.

The Firing comes first. The suits and charging should come later.
 
98% of our LEO’s are trying to do a good job. It’s easy to condemn all LEO’s simply because of the job they do. California has done a fine job of demonizing firearms as a whole and should share in fault with skewing the thinking abilities of these Deputies and 2A. Some LEO’s forget 98% of our citizens are good law abiding people. However if they let their guard down for the 98% the 2 % will figure it out all too quickly.

The bad apples in L/E will be exposed. Please don’t forget to thank the other 98% of LEO’s who are truly trying to keep the criminals down to a mild roar. The Deputies in this case where wrong and I would be willing to bet the County got to pay for a bit bigger piece of property.

I think most guys have at least an idea of what the charges will be before the arrest. Sometimes the book is brought out to ensure the proper charges are filed in the end. Making stuff up just won't cut it. Can a Cop make an honest mistake? Yes, he is still just a person. The difference is when the Cop admits to a mistake and lets those who must know it was a mistake.
 
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I think these cops where a-holes but... If the police have guns pointed at you and tell you not to move or reach for anything you should obey their commands. The homeowner is lucky he didn't get shot.
 
98% of our LEO’s are trying to do a good job
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Where did you come up with that number P-32? I know a lot of cops, including family members. If I were to guess at a number like you did, I'd put it at around 50%.

I live on 2.5 acres, with the city woods behind me. I built a earth berm surrounded by RR ties. I shoot mostly subsonic pistol calibers with a suppressor. But sometimes I'll shoot a rifle, and usually suppressed. Except for the 4th of July.
 
This news article today goes right along with the topic at hand. Actor Steven Seagal and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office are being sued over a 2011 arrest that a Phoenix-area man says was staged for a reality TV show.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/08/4321314/actor-steven-seagal-ariz-sheriffs.html#storylink=cpy
The Sheriff's Office insists in court documents that the use of a tank, a bomb robot and 40 deputies was part of its normal course of duties.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/03/08/4321314/actor-steven-seagal-ariz-sheriffs.html#storylink=cpy
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Those chicken ranchers can be awfully dangerous!
 
That's why police don't want citizens video taping them in action. I've heard of countless occasions where the police treat people with a camera as if they had a gun.
 
I'll just add these videos to my list of well over 100 videos of similar nature. Quite sickening.

There is almost nothing that makes me more upset then when officers KNOW they messed up, and instead of just admitting fault and doing right by the person they wronged, they make up a crap load of lies and charge the person with all sorts of stuff, and DA's threaten people with them and more if they sue. Complete and total corruption of the system.

The Constitution no longer matters. It is a sad day when doing the right thing and following the law is criminalized and the only option is to take criminal action!
 
What I cant beleive is that the State Attorneys office didnt get involved! As a lot of the recording is missing, it is hard to be 100% confident over any bias being introduced by ommision.
However, The portions of recordings actually played in the video are certainly enough in ,most states to file charges against the officers. It is a pity that the gentleman did not recieve better legal advice.
There is no doubt that the dispatcher advised he had 8 legally owned firearms and yet they still conducted an illegal search, the audio track also is quite clear in that the deputies had a discussion to try to justify their illegal actions. Legal action could have, and should have been initiated as soon as the recordings were obtained.
In 2011 the Indiana courts decided that NO ONE COULD RESIST AN ILLEGAL SEARCH OF ANY PREMISES BY ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. Note the word Illegal. All hell broke loose and the state legislature just a couple weeks ago passed legislation that overturns the courts judgement by specifying what illegal searches are and even when conducted by LEOs the citizen has the right to use any force required to stop the illegal entry or search.
Some of our states do listen to the people!
 
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