Police Drug Bust - Officer Subject?

Status
Not open for further replies.

shooter503

Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2006
Messages
440
Once again, the usual disclaimer. This post is not to knock the many fine police officers in our communities. It is to emphasize that bad guys appear to exist, and also to some extent to question whether police officers are treated in the same way that "civilians" would be under the same circumstances.

It seems to me that Sheriff Lupe Treviño is not exactly pushing an investigation into what happened. Two of his troopers busted and he seems to be burying his head in the sand.

During the search, authorities discovered a "stack of loose currency" inside a duffel bag in the truck’s back seat, Schnall said. Once the money had been discovered, Sanchez became confrontational and withdrew his consent for the search.

The former deputy could seek to have the cash returned through Georgia courts.

Does anyone here think they would get the same treatment? First give search permission then revoke it. Get a suspicious $1,000,000 back ?

The article does not mention whether Sanchez was armed. If he was still a current LEO he could have been.

Sheriff’s deputy resigns after $1 million seizure
January 13,2007
Michael Barnett and Jeremy Roebuck
Monitor Staff Writers

An Hidalgo County sheriff’s deputy resigned Tuesday after Georgia authorities found nearly $1 million hidden in his car during a routine traffic stop last week.

Emmanuel Sanchez, 30, of Alton, has not been arrested but is being investigated by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement because of the way the money was allegedly discovered and concealed.

Sanchez told Georgia State Patrol troopers he found the money behind a Hooters restaurant in Atlanta, said spokesman Trooper Larry Schnall. Some of the $950,000, which troopers seized, was discovered within the doors of Sanchez’s truck.

Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Treviño said Friday he has ordered an inquiry to determine if others in his department knew of or were involved in any wrongdoing in connection with the money found with Sanchez.

"I have not been told that anyone else in my department is involved in this," Treviño said.

Citing the confidentiality of personnel files, Treviño would not say if any complaints have previously been made against Sanchez, a patrol deputy who joined the department in 2001.

"We’re going to interview his close friends, if he has any," Treviño said. "We’ll look into prior rumors, if there’s any."

Sanchez could not be reached for comment Friday.

Georgia troopers discovered the money in Sanchez’s Ford F-350 after he was pulled over for an unspecified "moving violation" the night of Jan. 6, Schnall said. Sanchez was driving west on Interstate 20 between Temple and Villa Rica, Ga. — about 40 miles west of Atlanta.

"It was highly unusual for someone to have that much cash," Schnall said.

After being stopped, Sanchez identified himself as a sheriff’s deputy and agreed to let troopers search his truck.

During the search, authorities discovered a "stack of loose currency" inside a duffel bag in the truck’s back seat, Schnall said. Once the money had been discovered, Sanchez became confrontational and withdrew his consent for the search.

Troopers later called a K-9 unit to the scene, and the dog alerted them to suspicious material inside the car. Under Georgia law, authorities can conduct a search if a K-9 investigation indicates suspicious circumstances, Schnall said.

They issued a traffic warning to Sanchez and seized the money but let him go without arrest. Investigators are attempting to verify Sanchez's claims that he found the money in Atlanta, Schnall said. The former deputy could seek to have the cash returned through Georgia courts.

Luisa Deason, a Houston-based spokeswoman for ICE, said she was "not at liberty to discuss … an ongoing investigation."

Treviño, who has talked several times to federal and Georgia authorities, said he could not investigate Sanchez because there have been no allegations that he committed a crime in Hidalgo County. Sanchez, a patrol deputy, was not assigned to any special units.

"This guy was not arrested. There’s no criminal allegations against him," Treviño said. "So I’m in a pickle."

Sanchez did not give a reason for leaving and declined an exit interview when he resigned Tuesday, Treviño said. Had Sanchez not resigned, Treviño said he could have conducted an investigation into the former deputy’s conduct.

If an investigation found evidence of improper conduct, "I was going to fire him," Treviño said. "He just beat me to the punch."

Since Treviño took office in January 2005, at least five sheriff’s office employees have been under criminal investigation.

In August, detention officer Pedro Longoria was arrested and fired after a Louisiana state trooper allegedly found 66 pounds of cocaine in his vehicle’s gas tank.
 
Maybe he was good at saving

I don't see anything that says a crime was committed. Having a large amount of cash concealed isn't a crime. What was he to do, leave it laying around in plain view?

If I had nearly a million in cash, I'd take steps to conceal it, too.

Innocent until proven guilty, right?
 
1) I don't recall any law that says how much cash you can carry

2) Why did they want to search his truck for a moving violation?

3)Why would anybody concent to a search?

I don't care if he's a cop or not. With no other evidence or charges filed, he just got a million bucks stole from him.

Josh
 
Quite correct. Innocent until proven guilty, and the Customs people are apparently in on this so we can perhaps hope for a thorough investigation.

However, a five year deputy from a PD right next to the Mexican border with 1 Mill. in his pick-up, part of it hidden, has to make you think. It is clear the Sherrif does not intend to investigate this. All he has done is to make several excuses about why this is out of his hands. Georgia probably has nothing on him other than the traffic offense. Unless the Customs come up with something he could walk with 1 Mill. in his pocket - found behind a Hooters.

Question. Why was he driving East with 1 Mill. in his car? Don't they have banks in Texas? Could this have something to do with the thread about US weapons pouring into Mexico? Did he just carry out a sale of "stimulants"? He was still employed by the PD at the time of the stop. Who authorised him to be away from work for several days to drive back East? Why?

The drug war is a big part of the war on the 2nd. Eliminate gun use associated with drugs and the antis lose a lot of their arguments. Was this guy part of the problem? Will he be investigated?

Interestingly, to support the good LEO's, this is an example of where a possibly "engineered" stop may be beneficial. Of course, he did initially agree to a search apparently.
 
Wow, I wish Id find a million dollars behind mc donalds or something.Kinda wierd someone would just lose that much unless he/she were a billionaire.


my luck, it would all be counterfeit and Id go to the bighouse after attempting to spend it.:D


I dont think it should matter what he does for his professional line of work, justice needs to be blind,equal among everyone and fair,in the same circumstances.


I believe nowdays, when that much cash is found,its seized and youre labeled some kinda deviant with years fighting in court to get one cent ever returned.That is,If you can prove it and it hasnt been misplaced in storage somewhere.
 
OK, let's assume I'm a cop, and I "happen" to find nearly a millon dollars, just laying around somewhere... So I just decide "finders-keepers"......

And, let me tell you about the 500 lb. trout I caught, but I lost it....
 
So far, there's nothing specifically illegal about what was found. He's innocent until proven guilty.

However, an ICE investigation is not unjustified.:)

And if not ICE, I'm sure the IRS will be curious.
 
It's going to be damn difficult to get back the money. Read up about 'forfeiture laws' and the many cases where people get their cash confiscated and take years to get it back.

Basically the courts have ruled that the police have "arrested" the cash, which of course, have no rights. So basically you have to prove the cash wasn't obtained illegally.

Regarding this case, looks really suspicious, and the officers probably have a tip about this deputy. He was probably running money for drug dealers. Maybe he'll get silenced soon, for losing so much cash.

Since Treviño took office in January 2005, at least five sheriff’s office employees have been under criminal investigation.

Man he's got a crooked department.
 
The intent of the post was to draw in several recent threads. First, many of us are against bogus "stop and search" events. But how can LEOs operate against the baddies if they are not allowed any discretion to check somebody out on suspicion?

Let's take a purely hypothetical situation. An individual takes 1 Mill. of drug cartel bribe money from a small Mexican border town and takes it to the East Coast and buys a bunch of surplus weapons. He then returns with the weapons to the Mexican border where he sells them to the same cartel at a hell of a mark-up. Nice profit. Unfortunately, those same weapons are used to kill US Border Patrol officers.

Clearly, none of us would approve of this crime. However, if the individual is not stopped for a traffic event or if his weapons supplier is not caught in a sting operation he could get away with the crime. Where do we feel comfortable with LEO and BATF rule bending? Do we say let criminals walk or do we say bend the rules in some cases? Which cases?

GM
I dont think it should matter what he does for his professional line of work, justice needs to be blind,equal among everyone and fair,in the same circumstances.

I am not sure that is true. The fact that someone is a LEO makes the commission of the crime easier and a LEO cannot plead ignorance as an excuse. Should people who have sworn to uphold the law on the public's behalf be treated more harshly when they transgress?
 
Let's take a purely hypothetical situation. An individual takes 1 Mill. of drug cartel bribe money from a small Mexican border town and takes it to the East Coast and buys a bunch of surplus weapons. He then returns with the weapons to the Mexican border where he sells them to the same cartel at a hell of a mark-up. Nice profit. Unfortunately, those same weapons are used to kill US Border Patrol officers.
If the drugs were not illegal to begin with, no big deal. (what do you have against free enterprise?)

All kinds of other stuff is imported into the US every day, and no BP officers get shot. Or is Walmart a crime syndicate? :p
 
Shooter, buying guns alone is not evidence of a crime. Selling the guns to people you know can't legally own one is. However, at what point would anything happen to tip off police? There are always possible crimes that appear to be uncatchable. No reason to sell out our rights to defend against that.

Random searches or searches for no reason is not justified because someone "might" commit a crime and get away with it. Sure, they will catch some criminals that way, but they will be walking all over innocent people's rights while doing it. That isn't acceptable.
 
Carrying over ten thousand dollars in U.S. Currency IS A CRIME in Florida as most states match the Federal Codes as well.....The way it is carried is Prima Facia, ie hidden compartments. It come under the money laundering statutes and money transmitters...read it and weep...:rolleyes:
 
Unfortunately, those same weapons are used to kill US Border Patrol officers.

Clearly, none of us would approve of this crime. However, if the individual is not stopped for a traffic event or if his weapons supplier is not caught in a sting operation he could get away with the crime.

There are only two crimes that harm anyone else in your hypothetical, the bribe taking, which is a criminal violation of the LE's oath and serves to undermine equal justice, and the murder.

Did we catch and try the actual murderers? Of the two, that's the only crime in the hypothetical that truly deprived anyone else directly of anything at all.
 
could you show me

"Carrying over ten thousand dollars in U.S. Currency IS A CRIME in Florida as most states match the Federal Codes as well....." these "codes? i regularly violate me and my banker is also not as up to speed on the law as you apparently are
 
Carrying over ten thousand dollars in U.S. Currency IS A CRIME in Florida as most states match the Federal Codes as well....." these "codes? i regularly violate me and my banker is also not as up to speed on the law as you apparently are

It would appear you need a new banker if he is not aware..(Note the magic word above..CURRENCY, not check, not bond(s), ect but CURRENCY) If you need help, and are polite about it, I can help you with the code(s) and state statutes...(Florida)...

For the benefit of others...

896.101 Florida Money Laundering Act; definitions; penalties; injunctions; seizure warrants; immunity.--
 
Last edited:
innocent till proven guilty drive through sulpher la with over 2000.00 on you get stopped they will ask you how much you are carrying they can (the county ) take it , they call it drug money get you a lawyer cost you 3000.00 to get it back .....
 
you can carry 10,000.00 on you when you fly no problem UNLESS you are leaveing the country then you have a problem . why would it be illegal to dr with 10 grand on you ?
 
innocent till proven guilty drive through sulpher la with over 2000.00 on you get stopped they will ask you how much you are carrying they can (the county ) take it , they call it drug money get you a lawyer cost you 3000.00 to get it back .....


Ya got me on that one.....Drug dog hit maybe..?? Even so, that hasnt been used in a looong loooong time......There are cases pending in South Florida with similiar circumstances where Officers get the defendant or (non-defendant) to sign waivers regarding the monies siezed...and NOT making arrests...I hope the practice ends soon...:cuss:
 
you can carry 10,000.00 on you when you fly no problem UNLESS you are leaveing the country then you have a problem . why would it be illegal to dr with 10 grand on you ?


Technically speaking if you carry in excess of ten grand you need a money transmitters/transporters license..If you do not declare to ICE/Customs upon departure carrying 10 g's it is a violation and the same as bringin in more than 10 grand..To the U.S. that is...As smurfing (multiple bank deposits) are all computerized they (Terrorists/ Major drug dealers and laundering bankers and tellers) are having a much harder time with ALL that CASH !!! :what:
 
(h) "Knowing" means that a person knew; or, with respect to any transaction or transportation involving more than $10,000 in U.S. currency or foreign equivalent, should have known after reasonable inquiry, unless the person has a duty to file a federal currency transaction report, IRS Form 8300, or a like report under state law and has complied with that reporting requirement in accordance with law.



If you want I will post the Rackateering Statutes and the Money Tranmitter/Courier Statutes that cover what we are discussing tomorrow from work...(I have a cheat sheet !!) There are numerous...But (H) above has a colorful appeals court history that has been upheld....:)
 
no cigar

h is merely part of the definitions and in no way constitutes a law saying you can't carry currency. you got a law that says you can't carry currency or not?
 
yea?

please do. i pretty regularly carry more cash than that . and have enocounterd leo while doing so. been turned in to irs 3 times and after being able to document the cash have never had trouble. the banks give me more trouble than cops. they are required to report all over 10 k transactions but thats no big deal. and doesn't seem to be a law denying me the right to carry cash
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top