Police Drug Bust - Officer Subject?

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That florida statute ...

Seems only to apply in cases where the person with the money knew or should have known that it was the fruit of illegal activity.

I may be missing it, but I see nothing that would prevent Daddy Warbucks from driving around with one BEEEELLLION dollars in his Hummer.

timothy
 
you are correct

though it gets some folks who should know better, bank employees and management , knickers all knotted up when you play with cash. im often wonder how many of them can'r wait to call after i leave. some get real snotty.
 
h is merely part of the definitions and in no way constitutes a law saying you can't carry currency. you got a law that says you can't carry currency or not?
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ok, if you say so.....:p
 
[Delta608, put up or shut up. Although you are not a lawyer, you did stay at a Holiday Inn last night![/quote]

I already did......Here is others for your consumption...Please use some manners....:neener:


896.101 (3)(b)... Also USC 1956(a)(2)(B)(i)


If either you or your buddy (up a couple of messages) do not think these apply to you or are just definitions please give me an email when you enter the middle district of Florida with all your unreported cash !!!!....:neener:

I've supplied you with the laws pertaining, it is not my desire to argue thier merits. They are there if you like them or not....So do some reading and good luck to ya...Im unsubscribed but will check back now and then....
 
did we confuse you?

i don't believe anyone has said you don't have to jump through the legal hoops vis a vis reporting, but we do want you to substantiate your assertion that carrying cash is illegal. if you can. so far quoting a part of the definitions section of the legislation regulating the reporting process falls more than a lil short. you are aware that some amongst us deal in cash on a regular basis and have a vested interest in not going to jail? maybe you could relate your background and experience in matters of cash to help us see the light? or not
 
Unless, of course, that is not what you meant to say. If you read what you cite, neither states that carrying in excess of $10,000 is illegal.

IS that what you meant to say?
 
kruggerands?

you really want the feds looking you over get caught hauling a lotta gold /and thats aside from weight issues
 
At $630 an oz, you can carry a lot of gold without worrying about weight.

Biker
 
If you can afford a briefcase full of gold, you don't need to run - your bodyguards will take care of the problem.

Biker
 
This post is not to knock the many fine police officers in our communities. It is to emphasize that bad guys appear to exist, and also to some extent to question whether police officers are treated in the same way that "civilians" would be under the same circumstances.
How is he being treated any differently from a "civilian"
Even though he was charged with no crime his money was seized for suspicion of unauthorized wealth. Average citizens get the same treatment. They can also petition to get the money back, some do most don't
It seems to me that Sheriff Lupe Treviño is not exactly pushing an investigation into what happened. Two of his troopers busted and he seems to be burying his head in the sand.
How so. He has stated that he is going to do everything in his power to investigate a so far non-crime
Does anyone here think they would get the same treatment? First give search permission then revoke it. Get a suspicious $1,000,000 back ?
Where in the story does it say that he was given his money back. And yes you can revoke permission to search at any time. it doesn't mean that the cops have to listen and it didn't seem to work well for this officer
The article does not mention whether Sanchez was armed.
How would whether or not he was armed be pertinent to the story?

Georgia probably has nothing on him other than the traffic offense. Unless the Customs come up with something he could walk with 1 Mill. in his pocket - found behind a Hooters.
So should we reinstitute the Spanish Inquisition because you suppose that a cop is dirty although there is no evidence that he is as of yet.

How is his sheriff burying his head no crime is alleged to have been committed in his jurisdiction what is he supposed to do other than follow up the leads that he has said he will if any exist.

And by the way he was driving West not east

I'm glad to see that the majority of the members here did not take the bait on this one

Cassandrasdady
I know of no law that states how much cash you can carry but it is common practice for the Volusia county sheriffs dept to seize large sums of cash. Even if the person carrying it has a legitimate verifiable, if not verifiable then not disputable, reason for transporting it.It is also established precedence that the court forces the victim to bail his money out.
In other words he can retrieve some of it but some is kept even though there is absolutely no crime charged or prove
Across America, the Drug Enforcement Administration is seizing the luggage, cash and cars of hapless travelers. Under America's new civil forfeiture laws, mere possession of a large amount of cash or a drug dog barking at your luggage is sufficient probable cause for police to legally seize everything you are carrying.
 
To get back to the original idea, let me chime in. I live here in McAllen, where the sheriff and deputy work. THe drug business has so wholly infiltrated everything down here, that there is great reason to suspect the deputy. First of all, the local police and sheriff's department are paid poorly. There is no way he could from his work alone get anywhere near that amount of money. You can bet it was not an inheritance, as the local culture is, when you have a lot of money, to go out and but a big house and some hummers, and not work any more. It is a regular and nonstop occurrence around here for one or two officers, or even whole small town departments to be arrested for abetting drug trafficking. They even get ICE and Border Patrol for the same thing. SOme of the outlying school districts benefit from "donations" from rich (read drug lords) so they have huge gyms, golf courses, swimming pools, etc. One local school district (average income about $800/year) has the best buildings and facilities in the state (and we won't even get into the fact that there are more students than legally accounted for population). Whether it is legal to carry so much cash, I do not know and do not feel it is anyone elses business, especally the government. But, once found, the facts speak for themselves.:evil:
 
Maybe he started one of those home-based internet businesses I get emails about?

Actually bought and read Matthew Lesko's book and got a government grant?
 
yeah I noticed that too but forgot to include it in my rant.
I wonder why he would include that in the title :rolleyes:

But, once found, the facts speak for themselves
But do they speak beyond a reasonable doubt?
 
But do they speak beyond a reasonable doubt?

Or to something that is actually a crime because it is wrong in itself, or just (strongly) suggestive of other wrongdoing?

After all, if they can't prove he got it from a criminal act, all he was doing was driving with cash. If he pays the taxes on it...
 
I don't know whether it is technically "illegal" or not, but they can and do steal money from hard working people with NO connection to any type of crime and keep it. Did all of you miss the recent case in Nebraska where a man of Hispanic descent was pulled over for speeding? He was driving back home from the failed buy of a refrigerated semi tractor / trailer and had the buy money, ~$125,000.00, in a cooler. With no evidence of any wrong doing other than a police dog alerting to narcotics, of which none were found, the Nebraska State Police seized the money and kept it. The man filed suit to get it back and the 8th circuit ruled the NSP could keep it, even though the man stated it was his life savings he was using to buy the truck and start a business.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5691887

When we allow the police to literally steal people's life savings because they MIGHT be involved in the drug trade, we have sunk to a new low. This is but one example of hundreds and hundreds of these type of seizures.
 
This guy is 30 years old. He has worked for a small town PD for five years. His SAVINGS would have to be $200,000 per year to account for the cash he was carrying. Then he says he found the cash, $1,000,000, behind a Hooters restaurant and no-one has reported losing a cool 1 Mill. Well, well, he drove all the way from a small border town to Georgia to get lucky with an amnesiac billionaire! Sure, the bare facts do not make him a criminal but if you guys will buy the statements I will be putting my guns for sale on on GB. Patton's revolvers, Ike's 45 and Teddy Rosevelt's double. With more fantastic items to come.

The point is he has committed no crime back home, at least, not one that anyone is going to investigate. He has only got a driving infraction in Georgia. Unless another offence is proved he could reclaim the cash - it's worth an attorney for $1,000,000.

How would you suggest the law follows up on this case? Or are you going to shrug your shoulders and let him go ahead with what any half way sane person would consider an immoral, not to mention illegal, activity? My concern is that here, really, is a man potentially doing harm to other people for his own profit. Do you feel good about that? Does it not occur to you that if this fellow is bent he could be producing those dozens of gang-banging drug-pushers, discussing defence against whom seems to be the main reason for many to visit this site.

As far as the Sheriff is concerned:

Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Treviño said Friday he has ordered an inquiry to determine if others in his department knew of or were involved in any wrongdoing in connection with the money found with Sanchez.

"I have not been told that anyone else in my department is involved in this," Treviño said.

Citing the confidentiality of personnel files, Treviño would not say if any complaints have previously been made against Sanchez, a patrol deputy who joined the department in 2001.

"We’re going to interview his close friends, if he has any," Treviño said. "We’ll look into prior rumors, if there’s any."

Treviño, who has talked several times to federal and Georgia authorities, said he could not investigate Sanchez because there have been no allegations that he committed a crime in Hidalgo County. Sanchez, a patrol deputy, was not assigned to any special units.

"This guy was not arrested. There’s no criminal allegations against him," Treviño said. "So I’m in a pickle."

Sanchez did not give a reason for leaving and declined an exit interview when he resigned Tuesday, Treviño said. Had Sanchez not resigned, Treviño said he could have conducted an investigation into the former deputy’s conduct.

If an investigation found evidence of improper conduct, "I was going to fire him," Treviño said. "He just beat me to the punch."

Since Treviño took office in January 2005, at least five sheriff’s office employees have been under criminal investigation.

In August, detention officer Pedro Longoria was arrested and fired after a Louisiana state trooper allegedly found 66 pounds of cocaine in his vehicle’s gas tank.

Sure, he's really pulling out every stop to get to the bottom of this. "if he has any", "if there’s any", "I was going to fire him,", "He just beat me to the punch."

The question to be asked of the Sheriff is "Who gave Sanchez time off from work?". Wouldn't it be interesting to find out that Sanchez was driving East, in his own pick-up, on company time. Perhaps he was repeating the journey of Officer Pedro Longoria.
 
Currency detection.

Are the LEOs using some kind of money strip reading radar that gets a big reflective bounce off cash? If they aren't, why wouldn't they be? Those strips aren't in those bills to do nothing.
 
Are the LEOs using some kind of money strip reading radar that gets a big reflective bounce off cash?
They don't have to
I read that something like 80% of the currency in America is tainted with cocain, which just bolster their PC to search
 
shooter,

Absent proof beyond a reasonable doubt that an actual crime has been committed, what would you have the police do? :confused:

Where does this preemptive seizing of property and indictment without evidence stop, once it starts? How much "possibly" crime related stuff is in your house? That one more gun than you have hands? Obviously there to be given to a criminal to commit robbery.

The minute he sells drugs, bust him. The minute he shoots someone or active conspires to have someone injured, throw the book at him.

In the absence of evidence of a crime, let him alone. If they can't prove the money was a bribe, or stolen, and he pays taxes on it, no law is provably broken. However unlikely his story is, if the law can't disprove it, they have to treat it as true.
 
Troopers later called a K-9 unit to the scene, and the dog alerted them to suspicious material inside the car. Under Georgia law, authorities can conduct a search if a K-9 investigation indicates suspicious circumstances, Schnall said.


Just out of curiosity, I wonder just how accurate these dogs are or is it a more a matter of the handler interpreting what the dog does. Does the dog stand up and point with his paw like scooby doo at the something or does he just do normal dog like actions like say wagging his tail and barking. Something dogs are inclined to do for a variety of reasons, like smelling where some other dog had been sitting. Just how "operator dependent" is the K9 search. I'd hate to get my fancy new Silverado truck dismantled down to the frame because some dog barked incessantly at a spot on the carpet that turned out to be where my kid dropped a hamburger. Seems as if the handler could have a lot to do with making it look like a vehicle should be searched or not.
 
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