Police Kill Armed Man, Hostage in Fla.

[cropcirclewalker]

How could you possibly know from that article what part of the bad guy was exposed and what was not in order to even begin to question if they should have taken head shots or not? Can we end the speculation yet?

You are probably right, Mr. El Rojo.

It was foolish of me to reasonably expect the LEOs to be even semi-skilled at pistol shooting.

It is further entirely reasonable to expect

Wood, 33, died at Tampa General Hospital a few hours after the shooting from a single gunshot wound to the torso that perforated her lung, liver, kidney and bowel, Bailey said. That conclusion does not rule out other, non-lethal, gunshot wounds, he said.

that the wounds inflicted as previously described could have happened to the victim (read hostage) if she was lying on the ground in front of the fallen bg, who may have been twitching and thus still a threat while the cops still had a few bullets in their magazines who tried for a head shot through the hostage.

The only good thing that I read in the new, updated article was that there was no indication anywhere that the police did any high speed tactical reloading.

See? Even in dark clouds, there may be a silver lining.

 

[El Rojo]

This thread is done. Absent of the true tactical facts, you are so quick to have it all figured out. You have no clue where these cops were positioned, what was or was not exposed, nothing. Despite me pointing out that you don't know where they were positioned so it would be foolish to assume a head shot would be appropriate here, you still stick to your all knowing position. "It was foolish of me to reasonably expect the LEOs to be even semi-skilled at pistol shooting." Again, you don't know how many shots they made, how many hit, or what they were aiming at. All you know is they hit the hostage so they are any number of things wrong. So why even bother arguing with you. Your mind is made up. Reminds me of other liberal positions where looking at the facts means nothing and emotion means everything. "It is further entirely reasonable to expect". Again, more speculation and grandoise claims. Don't wait for the facts to come out. You must have obviously been there, tells us more.

I dare you not to post anymore speculation before we get another good news article. I double dare you.

 

[gc70]

Absent of the true tactical facts, you are so quick to have it all figured out.

It seems your statement also applies to you, El Rojo.

I just love the theory going around here lately that cops take an oath to protect and serve and they are expected to sacrifice their lives for the public.

Sorry, but the attitude that cops should be expected to take a bullet is ludicrous.

But I would never willingly throw myself in front of a bullet as a sacrificial lamb.

To protect and serve. Not to die and sacrifice.

In post #18 of this thread, YOU introduced the specter of "a cop taking a bullet for a civilian" as a bar to criticism of the police actions. Then you procede to declare that your philosophical position can only be reputed by hard facts to the contrary.

"Asbsent of the true tactical facts," every opinion expressed in this thread is just as valid (and only as valid) as its supporting logic.

 

[El Rojo]

No you interpreted my comments above to comments on this tactical situation. My comments are merely a reaction to an initial common theme as stated in post #4

The cop's body armor MUST have been better than the hostage's.

When they take the oath to protect and serve are they paying attention? Maybe it's like, shallow?

Cropcirclewalker implies that police officers should be willing to take a bullet as their duty to protect and serve since they have better body armor. The comments of mine you quoted are in direct relation to this idea that cropcirclewalker started and have nothing to do with this tactical situation.

If you want go back to post #s 60 and 76 you will see that I said dismiss and if you chose prosecute the cop who fired the errant shots that struck the hostage. In fact, I don't know if I have commented on the tactical aspects of this situation at all. I choose to wait and get the entire scoop before I decide to armchair quarterback a situation.

Arguing theory of what should happen to cops that "accidently" shoot a hostage is most certainly different than armchair quarterbacking a situation that you don't have complete knowledge and information about. Many comments have come out criticizing the police for the tactics they took here, but all of those comments come absent of any real facts about shooter positions, mindsets, and results. Sure we know the woman died, but the information related to her death is sketchy at best.

I thought we tried to carefully analyze shooting situations and results here on the High Road. I guess I was mistaken. We don't know how many shots hit the woman, we don't know how many officers of the four were responsible for those shots, we don't have comments from the officers on their intended shot placement, we don't have much of anything. I could speculate that three of the four officers put 10 rounds square into the bad guy and one officer screwed up bad and ruined it for everyone just as easy as cropcirclewalker speculated that the wounds are indicative of the woman being shot while on the ground. However, what is the point until we really know what happened?

All this speculation leads to is thinly veiled rhetoric aimed at placing law enforcement into a negative light because of personal conceptions of anger and mistrust due to previous experiences with law enforcement. That is all it is. I am not buying it and I am calling the LEO hating armchair warriors on it. Someone needs to be accountable for this woman losing her life. I will agree with you on that. However, it is only the officer(s) that shot the hostage and not the entire profession.

 

[pax]

Someone needs to be accountable for this woman losing her life. I will agree with you on that. However, it is only the officer(s) that shot the hostage and not the entire profession.

Good words on which to end the thread, because here we are back at "Us VS Them" again and this thread is just spinning in circles now.

If more information comes out about this one, feel free to open a new thread.

pax