Police officer investigates a man with a gun (Video)

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my opinion on police hasnt been too high for a while. the whole Canton thing is national attention to what we've been seeing for a long time now. But I must give credit where credit is due. Great job officer, seeing this still gives hope that there may be true good guys left. I wish I could see a video like this every day.
 
We need more cops like this! I especially like he didn't have the "us vs them" attitude. Compare and contrast that professionalism with this disgusting unbelievable incident.

Deaf guy with a wood carving knife in fatal encounter www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt1mFQG3tJg :barf:
 
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I think this vid was staged. I am buy no means a cop fan. But by law any police contact when asked for ID mandates I produce my state ID and my CCW card. And thats only fare IMHO. To be disarmed in police contact is ok with me.

Something is not right about this vid.
 
^A LOT of open carry people do this though that I've seen on video.

"Because it's my right to not tell you who I am or what i'm doing"

OK I appreciate that and it can have it's uses but every time?...

Some guys pretend that giving your drivers license to a cop means he's going to plot in his car how to take you to jail. This is just silly to me. I've made this inference over the last few days of reading comments made on this forum.

I have no problem introducing myself to the first cop that walks up to me and saying "Hey I appreciate what you do, I'm blah blah blah, I exercise my right as a good citizen. Instead of acting like some paranoid rude man who will look suspicious after refusing to even give a first name because "he can".

I do agree with letting the officer holster/re-holster the weapon though. I'm not a criminal and I'm proud of it and I won't make myself look like one by hiding information from the law. That confidence has gotten me out of many tickets.

/rant
 
That cop was great considering that guy was being a total tool.

I wish more cops were as respectful and level headed as that officer.

I feel that if you are going to open carry, which is often a provocative thing to do (unfortunately), you should be prepared to interact with police in a respectful and cooperative manner and hopefully they will treat you just as well and maybe even develop a better outlook on open carriers.
 
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That cop was great considering that guy was being a total tool.
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I was thinking the same thing. I've seen this video somewhere before. It sounds like the guy being questioned was a little nervous. But really, if you're minding your own business and not doing anything criminal, why not just give the cop your name and let him/her check you out? You're not doing anything wrong, so what's the worry?
 
That LEO really needs some anger management counseling. Wow, I'm a long way from Ohio, and it scares me that someone like that is out on the loose and armed. I'm less afraid of the criminal element.
 
That LEO really needs some anger management counseling. Wow, I'm a long way from Ohio, and it scares me that someone like that is out on the loose and armed. I'm less afraid of the criminal element.
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I think you meant to post this in the other thread, Got_Lead. This thread isn't about the Canton cop, rather about a very professional cop in Oceanside.

I feel that if you are going to open carry, which is often a provocative thing to do (unfortunately), you should be prepared to interact with police in a respectful and cooperative manner and hopefully they will try you as well and maybe even develop a better outlook on open carriers.
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I have to agree with you, Ben86. I understand the theoretical reason behind the open-carry activist's not wanting to give information if not legally required to, but frankly it just makes him seem like a jerk when meeting such a cooperative cop. I think in general, we should always be sure to take the high road so to speak in interactions with the police and show them that the vast majority of armed citizens are very reasonable, law abiding, and not planning anything nefarious. A simple "my name is x and I'm just exercising my right to bear arms" would have been sufficient. It's pretty obvious in the video that the citizen was looking for trouble and in this case the cop took the high road (kudos to him).

ATBackPakin said it well:
Legally you don't have to hold the door for someone behind you, but you do it to be polite. A little common courtesy can go a long way.
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Why can't people like this pursue political careers?
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Probably the "historian" part.
History is about the real, the provable, the factual.
Politics is about the fake, the imaginary, the promises of fairy dust.

It is not the stuff of a man of iron to speak the double-tongues as if true.
 
I'd like to offer a little perspective that may help some folks better understand what was going on in this video. There are two issues I'd like to cover: concealed carry in California and the experiences of open carriers in general.

Concealed carry is essentially banned in major parts of California. California is a "may issue" state meaning you are at the mercy of the local sheriff. If he or she is anti-gun, almost nobody gets approved. This is common practice. The only other way you can carry legally is open carry. The gun must be unloaded. You may carry a loaded magazine but it mustn't be touching the gun. Some police departments will stop people to verify that their firearm is unloaded. There is a bit of controversy over this. It sounds a lot like unlawful detention to me. Some say it is for public safety, but it takes a couple of seconds to insert a magazine or speed loader, so it hardly seems a practical use of police resources. Plus how many criminals open carry? It gets pretty easy to think that the law is intended or used to discourage open carry.

Open carry is of course gaining in popularity in other states as well. I live in one of these states. At first our police were not well trained in state law regarding open carry and conducted some illegal arrests, violated civil rights and even proned people out at gunpoint without cause. In several cases recordings of the incidents revealed extreme bias and inappropriately aggressive behavior on the part of some of the officers. Many flatly stated that open carry was illegal and/or would not be tolerated. This has happened in other states as well. One California cop even bragged on his Facebook page "Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night! Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement ... 2 weeks off!!!". He also laughed about the difficulty of getting a carry permit: "Haha that's when you attend one of their meetings and laugh at them cuz they can only dream to have a ccw". A rare few open carriers have been belligerent and antagonistic (very bad idea for many reasons) and there is no excuse for that. But if you believe that anyone is trolling for a bad arrest, visit one of the open carry forums and read a few threads about people who have experienced it. No one in their right mind would want to go through that. Some of them have lost and very few have won large settlements. After several lawsuits most jurisdictions in my state have made it clear to all of their officers that open carrying is legal and is not in and of itself cause for detaining anyone. There are still occasional incidents but things have improved considerably. Sadly, this is not yet the case in California.

So what I saw happening was that the citizen was NOT being a jackass and was most certainly not looking to get falsely arrested. He was practicing his Second Amendment rights in the only manner legally afforded to him and just wanted to be left alone. The officer at one point told him that he was required to give his name. If I recall correctly that is false. Note that he eventually backed off after the citizen politely declined a few times. The lawyers here can discuss the finer points but the officer, while he had a very pleasant manner and seemed supportive of our rights, had no good reason to stop the guy in the first place. It can be a fine line between standing up for your rights and tempting fate, and I think the citizen handled himself admirably. I'm hoping that the officer didn't want to stop the guy at all and was just "following orders" (I'm not even going there). Maybe they were just two decent people politely disagreeing with each other.

Please don't think I'm anti-cop. I am pro-freedom. One of my best friends is a cop and I would literally trust him with my life. It's just common sense not to volunteer anything and never to consent to search. Most peace officers are great guys but you never know which one you'll get. Some in the past have behaved so badly that they are now all required to tell everyone that they arrest not to trust them (Miranda). They are not the enemy. But if they are questioning you, it's foolish to assume they are your friend.

OK, I'm tired of typing and you're probably tired of reading this. I hope I've made my point in a reasonable and decent manner.

Flops
 
While the officer here did a good job, no doubt. half of our reaction, I think, is because he didnt completely mis-treat him, which is what we are kind of expecting to see.....isnt it?
 
The open carrier could have been less of an <removed> though. When you refuse to even identify yourself you look like you are intentionally trying to be a pain in the ass
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If only the officer from the earlier post in Ohio had acted this way. Although, Jerry was a bit of an jerk looking for something to use. He's lucky he got a veteran officer that didn't have any power issues. Otherwise he might have been tazed, sprayed, and cuffed with that attitude.

Although, every encounter I've had except one with a cop while carrying has started with me handing them both my ID and my permit, it solves a lot of problems before they start. I usually get thanked for letting them know up front and several times we end up talking guns.
 
I don't see anything wrong with him not giving out his name. He was not doing a thing wrong. Maybe he didn't want his name to appear in a report...maybe some of those reports work their way into the local news. Maybe instead of just saying "I'm not going to give you that" he should say "I'd rather not because I don't know what is going to happen with that information that may come back and bite me later".

Does it look like he may have been trying to make a point? Sure, but hey that's also his right.

Most people who actually plan to use a gun to do harm aren't going to be flashing it around out in the open, unless they are completely stupid.

Was that a Hi-Point?
 
yes jerry was acting kind of like a jerk.....and he probably could have had a little nicer tone....

but i dont have a problem with anything he did....

not saying this is the case....but it wouldnt surprise me at all if and officer would pretend to be a nice, friendly, gun loving guy......just to try and get a guy to relax and start talking, and see if theres anything he says or does that he can arrest him for.

i always hear LEO say that people often dont know when to stop talking, and its often what they say that lands them in handcuffs......

when dealing with LEO, its usually always best to say what is required, and say no more......no matter how friendly they seem.
 
when dealing with LEO, its usually always best to say what is required, and say no more......no matter how friendly they seem.
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Always good advice.

In the words of Sergeant Joe Friday:

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The officer is either a genuinely good one, or at least smart enough to act the part. Overall it was a very professional interaction from the LEOs standpoint.

As for the carrier, he was not rude, he did not act angrily, he acted in a smart manner, cooperated to the extent required. This idea that we need to "befriend" the officer is absurd, as has been pointed out countless times, the police are not our friends, they are legally allowed to lie, mislead, coerce, etc to get info that they want. The guy was minding his own business and stopped for exercising a Constitutional right, don't bash him for not being happy about the fact.
 
Having seen and ranted about the Ohio stop for the last few days, I finally took time to look at this thread. What a night and day difference. Officer Lyonns is exactly what America needs more of in Law Enforcement. I wonder if he has considered a Chief's job. I think there may be an opening in Canton OH pretty soon. :)
Outstanding Officer Lyonns.
Semper Fi!
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Well done officer Lyonns! Hope he becomes Chief or a politician. Perhaps R. Lee Ermey should give him some sort of "Good job Marine!" award? Or a free Glock?
 
For those who are understandably upset by the Canton, Ohio police officer's behavior and who haven't heard the latest development in the case, it's my understanding that he has been relieved from duty (suspended) pending "further investigation". If I were Canton city officials, I'd be bracing for a law-suit having plenty of merit, charging their police department with violating a citizen's civil rights.
 
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