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So once a felon is released from prison you believe s/he should be allowed to own guns?
Yes, once the person has paid their debt to society all rights and privileges of a US citizen should be re-enstated.
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So once a felon is released from prison you believe s/he should be allowed to own guns?
So you think that a violent criminal should be free to walk unfettered in society as long as there's a rule that says they can't buy a gun?As long as the felony conviction wasn't of a violent type; rape, murder, robbery then yes. A CPA that has served felony time for insider trading isn't a violent criminal.
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P.S. I don't see anything "unconstitutional" about red flag laws. They are not without due process anymore than a no-knock warrant is without due process. Both involve a judge, and both have remedies for mistakes or abuse. If these red flag laws are "without process", then so are search warrants.
When I read "no due process", I know I'm reading something written by someone who doesn't know what due process is.
Then try him in a court of law and attempt to convict him of whatever crime he’s alleged to have committed in front of a jury of his peers while having legal representation.This guy is just a bomb waiting to be detonated. He has been watched by not only our federal Government, but Canada as well(kinda why he is prohibited from going there), for quite some time. His actions have spoken louder than his words. While I doubt very much that the taking of his guns had reduced the threat from him at all, I have no doubt this man is a serious threat to some folks and would not be surprised if he has not already participated in, if not just promoted/endorsed some form of hate crime.
Huh? You didn't add anything - or counter any part of what I posted. No idea what you're talking about.Why?
If you believe search warrants are legitimate, these laws carry the same weight of legitimacy.
While I doubt very much that the taking of his guns had reduced the threat from him at all,
Yep, Many here are concerned about the alleged "Constitutional rights" of the leader of a vicious Nazi pack.
That’s his prerogative.The Nazi cared so much about his rights that he refused to attend the hearing.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/...ammo/281-7901f669-b849-41ce-b7d1-b824de28a893The Nazi was stopped in Texas for speeding in Texas on 4 November, 2019. Several guns in the vehicle were claimed by the passenger, another Nazi; who also claimed some dope found in the vehicle. The passenger was charged by the federal prosecutor on doper in possession of firearms: That charge is good for up to ten years.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/...ammo/281-7901f669-b849-41ce-b7d1-b824de28a893
https://www.king5.com/article/news/...ammo/281-7901f669-b849-41ce-b7d1-b824de28a893
A spokesperson at the King County Prosecutor’s Office could not immediately say what the consequences will be since Cole was found in a car with several firearms.
It is unclear whether Cole is facing any criminal charges in Texas.
Apparently he was.What were the Nazis doing in Texas? Bet they were spreading the word of Adolph Hitler.
He told lawmen that he was "traveling from Washington state to Houston to 'meet with some friends.'"
Texas is one of a handful of states with known Atomwaffen Division cells.
Well, um, I started a thread about this on the 11th ("ERPOs in action WA ...") ... ran a few pages before it petered out.Since I don't remember seeing any discussion here about this, I decided to post it. Interested to hear if folks here think this was an appropriate use of a red flag law.
Yep, Many here are concerned about the alleged "Constitutional rights" of the leader of a vicious Nazi pack. The Nazi cared so much about his rights that he refused to attend the hearing.
I can buy that, but short of knowing them myself and investigating every case, I have to go with the court AS A GENERAL RULE. Given good reason to think it may be other wise, I might look at SPECIFIC cases differently. Such as the government holding a person with out charges, rolling them like a Saturday night drunk and then publicly slandering them. All over events and topics the government has no business sticking their nose in to in the first place.Edited above. Don't believe that someone is guilty or innocent just because the courts say so. That's my point.
And there in lies the rub.You certainly can, under any number of statutes, in all states and especially in federal court.
This guy is just a bomb waiting to be detonated. He has been watched by not only our federal Government, but Canada as well(kinda why he is prohibited from going there), for quite some time. His actions have spoken louder than his words. While I doubt very much that the taking of his guns had reduced the threat from him at all, I have no doubt this man is a serious threat to some folks and would not be surprised if he has not already participated in, if not just promoted/endorsed some form of hate crime.
Several reasons come to mind the first one being he lacks the money to hire a lawyer. It is a stacked deck for a layman with no legal training to represent themself against a trained prosecutor and no knowledge of rules of evidence, court procedures, how to question witness(es).
Or maybe he figures he doesn’t have a chance for a fair, impartial hearing before the same Judge that issued the EPRO to begin with.
Or maybe he doesn’t fully understand what a EPRO is, the legal procedures and how it affects his 2A rights.
The subject of an ERPO hasn't necessarily been charged with/committed a felony.Lastly, The government did not take anyone's right to own a gun. It is given up by the person convicted of committing a felony. It's part of his sentence.
He knows this when he commits the felony so when he decides to do it, he knowingly understands he is giving up his legal right to own a firearm. No one took it from him, he gave it up voluntarily. He carries that cross for his own actions.
Yes, once the person has paid their debt to society all rights and privileges of a US citizen should be re-enstated.
Well, the part about the felonies had nothing to do with the ERPO. I addressed that first.The subject of an ERPO hasn't necessarily been charged with/committed a felony.
Might want to do some reading.
It’s an order granted based on the possibility of future action. It’s basically ‘Future Crime’, just without the weird telepathic brings in the swimming pools.
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Replace "Nazi" with; NeoCon, Arch Conservative, Nationalist, ANTIFA, Occupy, Black Panther and the like
Confiscating a firearm or prohibiting one from owning a firearm implies that the individual high probability of committing a murder. If such is the case, why is the focus on a gun rather than immediate incarceration?
Why don't any of you have problems with search warrants?