420Stainless
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I'm afraid I now fall into the bad eyes category too. They do present a tempting platform to try out something from Crimson Trace though.
Police Trade-In S&W Revolvers On Sale
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earplug
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Go shoot some steel
I spent Wednesday evening shooting a local Steel Challenge match with a four inch DAO M-15. Rules say you can use a eight shot wheelgun, but i'm still having fun.
I was in a class by myself. I had fun and anyone of the DAO revolvers would be fun to shoot IDPA, Steel Challange or?
I have a M-65 that I drilled and tapped for a red dot sight. It works fine for Bullseye at fifty foot or 25 yards. If you have a fixed sight wheel gun you can't use due to the little sights, consider putting a scope base on it.
Most older LEO trade in guns won't be hurt in resale value by drilling and tapping three holes.
I spent Wednesday evening shooting a local Steel Challenge match with a four inch DAO M-15. Rules say you can use a eight shot wheelgun, but i'm still having fun.
I was in a class by myself. I had fun and anyone of the DAO revolvers would be fun to shoot IDPA, Steel Challange or?
I have a M-65 that I drilled and tapped for a red dot sight. It works fine for Bullseye at fifty foot or 25 yards. If you have a fixed sight wheel gun you can't use due to the little sights, consider putting a scope base on it.
Most older LEO trade in guns won't be hurt in resale value by drilling and tapping three holes.
HardShell
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I recently put CTC grips on one of my K-frames and have been very pleased with them.
MCgunner
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I'd love to get a round butt 64. I'd like to put a 2" barrel on it, though.
1--maybe they're sold out now, but both of the 64's i got from J&G coupla months ago were RB. one -3, and the other -5. modified the earlier model.
2--got a wolff light trigger return spring, did a little polishing, and lightened hammer spring. nice shooter for wife, now she HAS to shoot DA, single action blocked by a step machined into hammer.
3--i installed what may be the last bomar winged combat rib in captivity on it. cost $150 delivered. aristocrat makes basicly the same thing. also added pachmayr compac professional grips.
sweet shooting revolver for less than $500.
gunnie
2--got a wolff light trigger return spring, did a little polishing, and lightened hammer spring. nice shooter for wife, now she HAS to shoot DA, single action blocked by a step machined into hammer.
3--i installed what may be the last bomar winged combat rib in captivity on it. cost $150 delivered. aristocrat makes basicly the same thing. also added pachmayr compac professional grips.
sweet shooting revolver for less than $500.
gunnie
And again the Old Fuff will point out that as time goes by, fewer and fewer revolvers are hitting the police surplus market. In some cases the agencies' adminastrators are under orders to destroy any surplus firearms rather then sell or trade them in, or they are now into second, third and even forth generation pistols with revolvers long gone.
So in the future I don't expect that we'll see many deals like this, and when we do prices will be up.
Sometimes to wait is to loose.
Note: In case anyone wonders, there is absolutely no connection between J&G Sales and the Old Fuff. I'm only interested in looking after our members best interests.
So in the future I don't expect that we'll see many deals like this, and when we do prices will be up.
Sometimes to wait is to loose.
Note: In case anyone wonders, there is absolutely no connection between J&G Sales and the Old Fuff. I'm only interested in looking after our members best interests.
Usually they grade used guns on the basis of cosmetics - in other words how they look.
In the case of a stainless gun that can be cleaned up with a little tender-loving-care this doesn't bother me much. So long as it lowers the price I really don't care.
That said, since they first put them on the 'net day before yesterday I suspect they are going out the door.
In the case of a stainless gun that can be cleaned up with a little tender-loving-care this doesn't bother me much. So long as it lowers the price I really don't care.
That said, since they first put them on the 'net day before yesterday I suspect they are going out the door.
I just purchased a police trade in 65-3 locally. It was DA/SA. It locked up tight and was in good shape mechanically. It had a little forcing cone wear but there are still lots of rounds left to be shot through it. Plus, I plan on mostly shooting .38s. Anyway, the action was very smooth and the fixed sights were dead-on with 158 gr. bullets. I spent more than those at J&G but this was already delivered. If the ones at J&G are of comparable quality, then they are good to go.
And a little polish went a long way in cleaning it up.
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x223/KyJim_photos/?action=view¤t=SW_Model_65-3_DSCN1608.jpg
And a little polish went a long way in cleaning it up.
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x223/KyJim_photos/?action=view¤t=SW_Model_65-3_DSCN1608.jpg
Quoheleth
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I understand what the physical difference is between a square & round butt, but is one or the other preferred in a revolver? What's the difference, performance-wise?
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You tend to see square butts more in the "service" and target pistols, round butts more in "detective" or concealed carry type guns. The round butts conceal better. The square butts give a bit better grip and control. At least that's been my experience.
Besides the concealment issue, some departments purchased the round-butt service revolvers for female or other officers with small hands. Other departments that required they're officers to be armed when off-duty also prefered the round-butt design.
In the longer-then-two-inch-barrel configuration you don't see many factory original round-butts. You can convert a square-butt to round-butt, but not the other way around.
In the longer-then-two-inch-barrel configuration you don't see many factory original round-butts. You can convert a square-butt to round-butt, but not the other way around.
Geneseo1911
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I had been thinking about one of these (they've had them for a long time); but I was wondering, what would be involved in making one of them SA capable? Replace the hammer? Weld a spur back onto it? Or is it much more involved than that?
Those that are interested in these revolvers might enjoy the report in this thread.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=475608
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=475608
You may not know until the revolver is disassembled and examined, but usually only the hammer was altered. The single-action notch was removed as was the hammer spur. Any non-MIM hammer made for a center-fire K-frame revolver with the post-1957 "short-action" will work. Fitting by a gunsmith may be, or may not be, required. If you purchase a hammer get a hammer assemby with the internal parts so that you don't have to switch them out of the original hammer.
At most, both a hammer and trigger replacement would be required.
..."Usually they grade used guns on the basis of cosmetics - in other words how they look."...
true, but J&G also has their 'smith(s) check them out before putting them up for sale.
..."The square butts give a bit better grip and control. At least that's been my experience."...
personal opinion only, but i prefer the round butt for double action use. less muzzle flip upon firing due to it pushing more straight back, rather than rolling upward. same a mechanical function of having more force imparted at the bottom of the grip by the section removed for RB configurations. you should try both designs yourself before deciding which YOU like.
..."but I was wondering, what would be involved in making one of them SA capable? Replace the hammer? Weld a spur back onto it? Or is it much more involved than that?"...
guess i shouldda been paying more attention when i had the side plate off, but i wasn't interested in going back to single action use anywaze. without another teardown, i can't say for sure whether there was a single action sear on the hammer or not. it wouldn't really matter though, as the two i recieved both have a "step" on the rear hammer radius that will not allow it any more travel than the DA action releases at.
SAME DISCLAIMER AS OLD FUFF, NOT WORKING FOR J&G!!! NO MONETARY REWARDS, OR PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FROM THEM FOR SALES INCURRED BY THIS POSTING. [HOW COULD I PROVE MY WORDS CAUSED A SALE ANYWAY?] JUST TRYNNA PASS ON WHAT I FEEL TO BE A HELLUVA DEAL TO FELLOW FORUMSTERS.
gunnie
true, but J&G also has their 'smith(s) check them out before putting them up for sale.
..."The square butts give a bit better grip and control. At least that's been my experience."...
personal opinion only, but i prefer the round butt for double action use. less muzzle flip upon firing due to it pushing more straight back, rather than rolling upward. same a mechanical function of having more force imparted at the bottom of the grip by the section removed for RB configurations. you should try both designs yourself before deciding which YOU like.
..."but I was wondering, what would be involved in making one of them SA capable? Replace the hammer? Weld a spur back onto it? Or is it much more involved than that?"...
guess i shouldda been paying more attention when i had the side plate off, but i wasn't interested in going back to single action use anywaze. without another teardown, i can't say for sure whether there was a single action sear on the hammer or not. it wouldn't really matter though, as the two i recieved both have a "step" on the rear hammer radius that will not allow it any more travel than the DA action releases at.
SAME DISCLAIMER AS OLD FUFF, NOT WORKING FOR J&G!!! NO MONETARY REWARDS, OR PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FROM THEM FOR SALES INCURRED BY THIS POSTING. [HOW COULD I PROVE MY WORDS CAUSED A SALE ANYWAY?] JUST TRYNNA PASS ON WHAT I FEEL TO BE A HELLUVA DEAL TO FELLOW FORUMSTERS.
gunnie
MCgunner
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A 3" round butt is an awesome carry.
i was thinkin' that 1917 I bought 20 years ago was from J&G, but I don't really remember. I had an FFL then before Clinton put the scare in me and I dropped it. Where ever I got that thing, and I bought a lot of stuff off J&G, it was billed as "NRA good" and when it came, it was unshootable and in sad condition generally. I expected it to be crusty, but it was loose and ill timed. I had a smith work it over and he told me to take it easy on the loads. I should have kept it as a collector, but as it wouldn't shoot lead bullets (shallow rifling), I sold it.
Anyway, I don't much like buying sight unseen anymore and don't have an FFL anyway.
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Not only that, but the round butt is a lot easier to conceal. Square butts tend to bulge more under a T shirt.
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Geneseo1911
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Thanks for the info, Fuff. I had assumed that the hammer was simply bobbed off, I didn't think they would go so far as to remove the notch on the hammer.
...A 3" round butt is an awesome carry."...
guess i should have been more specific. "-3"= dash three, an engineering change designation, added as a suffix to the model 64 stamping.
as in:
64-3 and 64-5. NOT a barrel length reference, both were 4" flavor.
gunnie
guess i should have been more specific. "-3"= dash three, an engineering change designation, added as a suffix to the model 64 stamping.
as in:
64-3 and 64-5. NOT a barrel length reference, both were 4" flavor.
gunnie
..."I doubt these are police trade-ins."...
at their website, J&G says, "This product was added to our catalog on Tuesday January 06, 2009." the flyer they sent that put me on this trail back last spring said they were police turn ins.
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nypd#Service_Pistols
..."Officers of the NYPD are issued a 9mm service pistol that fires in DAO (Double Action Only). Currently authorized pistols for new officers to select from include the SIG P226 DAO, Smith & Wesson 5946 DAO, and Glock 19. All are modified to a 12 pound (53 N) trigger pull. Senior officers who joined prior to January 1st 1994 are still authorized to carry Smith & Wesson Model 64 & Model 10 .38 Special revolvers."...
so i'd guess these were issued iron turn-ins from pre-'94 retiring officers.
gunnie
at their website, J&G says, "This product was added to our catalog on Tuesday January 06, 2009." the flyer they sent that put me on this trail back last spring said they were police turn ins.
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nypd#Service_Pistols
..."Officers of the NYPD are issued a 9mm service pistol that fires in DAO (Double Action Only). Currently authorized pistols for new officers to select from include the SIG P226 DAO, Smith & Wesson 5946 DAO, and Glock 19. All are modified to a 12 pound (53 N) trigger pull. Senior officers who joined prior to January 1st 1994 are still authorized to carry Smith & Wesson Model 64 & Model 10 .38 Special revolvers."...
so i'd guess these were issued iron turn-ins from pre-'94 retiring officers.
gunnie
You may be right concerning the NY-1 revolvers, although I'm not certain they were sold exclusively to the NYCPD.
In any case I'm sure they come from some law enforcement background, because they seem to all be DAO conversions.
Also my feeble memory is trying to tell me that Mayor Broomburg ordered that all surplus police handguns (that would include turn-ins) were to be destroyed to keep them out of the wrong hands (meaning us). They could have come from retired officers that kept their revolvers (they had to pay for them in the first place), but they're seem to be too many at one time for that to be the case.
In any case I'm sure they come from some law enforcement background, because they seem to all be DAO conversions.
Also my feeble memory is trying to tell me that Mayor Broomburg ordered that all surplus police handguns (that would include turn-ins) were to be destroyed to keep them out of the wrong hands (meaning us). They could have come from retired officers that kept their revolvers (they had to pay for them in the first place), but they're seem to be too many at one time for that to be the case.
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