Police with two handguns on duty belt?

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If they are Tazers - good. All LEO's should have ready access to such non-leathal weapons. If they are in fact second duty type guns - they should be fired - they're jerks just trying to look intimidating. If their patrol area is so dangerous where they need two duty type handguns on their belt - it sounds like Marshall Law time - bring in the National Guard.
 
If they are in fact second duty type guns - they should be fired - they're jerks just trying to look intimidating
What a pompous and arrogant thing to say. But then this is America and you are entitled to have a pompous and arrogant attitude.


Now that we have established personalities let's discuss merits.

How is carrying twoduty weapons different than carrying two extra double stack magazines?
Or are you saying that carrying 30 extra rounds of ammunitions is excessive as well?

I have seen quite a few uniformed officers in Philly who were wearing shoulder holsters in addition to their regular belt holsters.

What's wrong with carrying your back-up gun where you can get to it easier? A hide out gun needs to be smaller. A back-up doesn't.

Now I am not advocating carrying two duty handguns. Todays uniformed officers has to carry enough weight as it is. Personally I would prefer one of the newer, smaller Tasers on my belt.



Besides it's Martial Law not Marshall Law. :rolleyes: Just because we're discussing two guns doesn't make it Dodge City.

And if you've ever seen martial law in the US it's guys in military uniforms with rifles with fixed bayonets. Compared to that, a person with two handguns looks tame.
 
Yes, during my departments transition from 357 Magnum to 9MM we carried both a Colt Trooper and a S&W 9MM. I also carried around 80 rounds of ammunition on me. I still carry a hi-cap mag and 30+ rounds on me today. The Taser is simply more "feel good", insurer satisfying, lawyer appeasing and showy gimmick to spend money on. A six cent round is better for stopping the BGs. I have seen mace, Tasers and Asps used on suspects. Four officers were doing everything but shoot a prisoner recently. A officer was choked out, one suffered spinal injury and one was hospitalized for a closed head inury. The suspect escaped. A trigger pull would have stopped that.
 
Pompous and Arrogant

First, let me apologise for any offence I may have caused with the Police Officer community viewing this board. It was not my intent. Given the replys to the original question, I offered a "first blush" opinion in as few words as possible (sometimes not a good thing - i.e. Howard Dean's recent comments following the Iowa primary). But then, I'm just a harmless little guy in cyber space offering comment & opinion in what I consider to be an entertainment forum. Any lack in good judgement on the part of Police Officers in the field, however, can carry severe consequences. And I would think good Officers would want to address bad policies and poor performers more than anyone. That said, let me offer additional supporting comments for my original comments.

The common practice of Police Officers openly carrying two full size handguns was discontinued with the vast majority of Police organizations about the time black powder revolvers became obsolete. And I'm not so sure it was even that common over 100 years ago. It was apparently no longer considered necessary. With the advent of additional tools (body armor, improved communications, rapid transporation, modern high capacity semi-auto handguns, specialty weapons, etc.), this practice, it would seem, should be even less necessary now days. I'm not talking about small, discretely carried back up guns here - just second full size guns.

The chances that most Police Officers will ever fire their weapon on duty is pretty low. Lower still that such shootings to good effect would result in expending more than the carry capacity of a modern high capacity auto. Yes, carrying spare ammo is necessary for those rare occassions when needed. But a second full size gun, and spare ammo to feed it too - I tend to think not.

Weapon retention should be a great concern. Police Officers are far more likely to be involved in close quarters physical struggles than in shoot outs. A second openly carried gun doubles the chances that a weapon could be taken - and used against the Officer & others - or precipitate the unnecessary use of deadly force by the Officer had the weapon not been there to take in the first place.

Public perception is critical as well. There seems to be a widening chasm between the Police and Citizens in many communities across the country. Justified or not, perception is reality in many cases. What if an Officer, openly armed with two full size weapons, is involved in a questionable shooting? What if the shooting catches the attention of sensitive social or political groups or organizations. I can hear the headlines now - "biased gun slinging para-military cops victimize innocent citizen". The potential civil rioting and lawsuits steming from such an incident could be massive. And what about families & businesses considering moving into the area. They get a look at the local Police carrying around two huge guns on their hips and have to wonder - what the heck is the problem around here? Do I want my family or business in an area that's so bad that the Police have to carry two guns to protect themselves?

So given the arguements against this practice (lack of necessity, increased danger of unintended use & further deterioration of citizen confidence in the judgement & mission of their Police force), what are the objective, fact based reasons for doing it? In the absents of such, the obvious conclusion must be - well - a pompous and arrogant attitude on the part of these Officers.
 
Nick- I'll preface my comments by stating: Tactical considerations should not rely on public perception.

The question is: what is the tactical advantage gained by carrying two guns? The ONE advantage I see with a cross-draw BUG, is to be able to draw a firearm while seated in a car. That's pretty much it. However, if someone wanted to prepare themselves for the possibility of an armed confrontation while seated, it would be smart, not pompous, to wear a BUG in this manner. I personally prepare for the most probable and plausible scenarios, and see a seated armed confrontation as a pretty slim possibility.

I don't hold it against any officer who desires to take measures to protect himself in the face of an armed attacker. I think I personally like the idea of the "car gun" better, and might take up this practice.
 
Nick, if you would care to read my previous post you would see that in chicago there was a VERY good reason that the officers were wearing two guns. They were beign hampered with outdated technology by an overly officious administration. They found themselves severly underarmed in a city that was RIFE with crime. Using a technicality in their rules they managed to do what they could to rectify the situation. Notice that the second department policy allowed the carry of semiautos the 2-gun practice ceased.
 
I saw this on the northern end of Orlando recently. I just concluded that the officer wanted to be able to cross draw from his car. Ever try to draw from a standard rig when you're seat belted? Didn't bother me. Struck me as a good idea.

Both guns looked like Glocks to me. I can't say for sure one wasn't a taser though.
 
Man I hope they aren't tazers

with pistol like grips.There have already been several folks killed by cops in stressful situations due to confusing the two similiar grips...
 
It's gotta be faster to draw another weapon then reload the one in your hand!

I was always told this was “Texas Reloadingâ€.

Having the second gun in a crossdraw could be helpful when seated in a vehicle. That way you can draw while leaning away from incoming fire rather that leaning into it as you would have to in order to draw from a RH hip holster.
 
Im a Central Florida resident and I know for a fact that its a tazer!


They started carrying them in the courthouse first, now officers carry them on patrol.

I dont care care how many irons a police officer wants to carry as long as I can carry as many as I want!
 
MeatWagon hit the nail on the head! Who cares what the cops carry, as long as the populace is allowed to carry the same. And I think the cops should be allowed to carry whatever they want (full-auto or not). Please follow the argument to its logical conclusion.
 
In my opinon it is stupid to carry two exposed weapons. Thats twice as many guns to retain in a gun grab. A bug should be concealed and secured.
Pat
 
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