Deputies Apologize for L.A. Shooting

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(05-14) 02:57 PDT Los Angeles (AP)

Ten sheriff's deputies who fired 120 rounds at an unarmed driver at the end of a chase in a quiet neighborhood appeared with a lawyer who apologized to residents on their behalf, but said the officers had acted to capture a suspect who "deserved and needed to be stopped."

Wearing suits and ties or dark sweaters, the deputies stood silently before news cameras Friday while lawyer Gregory Emerson explained that each had voluntarily told investigators what happened during Monday's videotaped shooting in Compton.

Emerson said the deputies didn't try to "harm or injure or otherwise jeopardize the safety of the individuals" on the street where 44-year-old Winston Hayes was shot. Bullets penetrated several homes in the area.

"They're not hiding," Emerson told reporters. "They're honorable, decent individuals. They're proud professionals of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, and they're willing to stand up and tell the community that they do apologize."

He said after the news conference, however, that "the apology wasn't for the shooting."

"The apology was to residents in the area that were affected by that shooting," Emerson said. "If we could do it over again, we would take action to stop Mr. Hayes. Hopefully with better training we could do that to prevent shots into peoples' homes."

The deputies fired 120 rounds in the early morning confrontation, striking Hayes four times and bruising one deputy who was hit in his bulletproof vest. Hayes is recovering at a hospital.

The barrage prompted outrage from some residents. Sheriff Lee Baca offered to double the typical payment for damages incurred.

After the news conference, Emerson said he spoke for the deputies because they were involved in criminal and departmental investigations stemming from the shooting, making it inappropriate for them to comment.

The shooting followed a brief pursuit. Some deputies thought Hayes, who was driving a sport utility vehicle, had shot two deputies while others thought he was trying to ram them, sheriff's officials said.

Emerson said that Hayes "deserved and needed to be stopped" because deputies had been warned that he was a murder suspect.

Officials later said that Hayes was not involved in the shooting of the deputies, and he has not been charged with a crime.

One resident, Reyes Valencia, who saw the shooting that left a bullet hole in his wooden fence, said he doesn't accept the apology.

"I'm glad they did apologize. It's not going to change what they did," said the 41-year-old Valencia, who has lived on the block for 35 years. "The guy didn't have a gun. It's no reason to shoot the guy."

Baca said 70 to 80 shots were fired during the first five seconds of the confrontation. He said he believes some deputies emptied their guns while others fired once or twice.

The deputies are undergoing counseling and will return to work, Baca said.
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Associated Press Writer Chris Nguyen contributed to this report.




So folks, what do you think of THAT? :what:
 
What these civilians will never understand is that this was basically a successful day out!

We got our man( :cool: )!! Sent out a powerful message to other would-be criminals. And a few of our rookies got some real exciting, real world trigger time (what better way to hone their law enforcement instincts and keep their testosterone charged up for the job they have to do?)!! I heard someone mention "better training" :rolleyes: ... I'm sick of hearing it... "better training, better training"... What "better training" than 120rnds spent on a Critter?

Now back to our little "problem" with those ignorant civilians: They'll never understand what this job takes or what we're up against out there these days. I'd propose that we make a highly visible public effort to smooth feathers... maybe an apology? Then we'll throw 'em a few extra bones (of their own tax dollars :)D hee-hee)).
That should placate them.. then maybe we can duck this scrutiny and get back to business as usual: "BUSTIN' CRITTERS" :cool: :cool:

***A Blueline Dispatch***: Effective imediately, all PDM's (Public Displays of Mirth, ie: "high-fives", butt-slaps, or NFL style "spiking" of your sidearms) concerning this issue are forbidden... keep it in the locker room boys.

If this incident comes up, say on a internet forum or in social surroundings, assert that the "media always gets it wrong" and they're "just not getting the whole story" and, further, the action was completely justified. If some of you are unable to articulate these points just wear some wrap-around sunglasses, appear menacing and stony, and KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT!!
 
:rolleyes:

What more would you have them do, a public apology and double damages isnt enough?
 
I'll add my totally un-informed(other than what I read and saw on the TV) two cents on this topic. Dumb dumb and dumber IMO. I can't believe they opened up like this a residential neighborhood. Had this happened anywhere else but Compton or other like area, I bet heads would be rolling and tax dollars already flying out to the aggrieved residents. On the surface it seems they really dropped the ball. I also imagine that had this been a group of civilians involved in a otherwise legitimate shoot all would tied up in civil court for years and might be in jail while the authorities try to figure it out. Did the BG survive, either way when all is said and done I bet he or his get some big tax dollars outta this to, anyone wanna bet a nickle?

I was NOT there (obviously) and wouldn't do the dog catchers job let alone their job for what they get paid. I hope the "bad guy" was so dangerous that their actions were worth the risk to those in the immediate area. Good luck and God bless them(LEOs) their going to need it.
Gary
 
I also imagine that had this been a group of civilians involved in a otherwise legitimate shoot all would tied up in civil court for years and might be in jail while the authorities try to figure it out.
I tire of this argument. You cannot compare the jobs that LEOs do trying to stop and apprehend suspects to the job a civilian has of defending themself from an imminent threat. Of course a group of civilians are going to get in trouble over something like this because it is not their job to stop and arrest people in moving vehicles. You can't compare the two, the cops are apples and civilians are oranges, or vice versa if it makes you feel better.

And as far as the idea of where is it safe to shoot and where isn't it safe to shoot, what else can you expect? If officers never shoot in residential neighborhoods, where could they shoot? The key isn't to make sure you are in the desert before you shoot, it is to know what you are shooting at, hit it, and not use more rounds than you absolutely have to.

Now put a cop into a situation where all of his buddies are shooting and a car is coming your way, that "not use more rounds than you absolutely have to" is most certainly subjective. What isn't subjective is that you are shooting at a vehicle with your partners on the other side shooting back your way. That is where you need to stop and seek cover. And that isn't so much a subjective call, but a simple means of survival.
 
"They're honorable, decent individuals. They're proud professionals of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, and they're willing to stand up and tell the community that they do apologize."

Thats a lie. If they were professional, the 120 rounds in a neighborhood would never had happened.
 
Justified shoot, maybe maybe not. I'm just a little concerned about the ratio of rounds fired to actual hits - none fatal. 4/120? One out of every 30 rounds hit their target.

I understand adrenaline and all that but :uhoh:

Each cop fired an average of 12 rounds. But some only fired a couple. That means that some others fired MANY MORE than 12. What are they carrying? Wonder-nines? .40s? If they are shooting 40s, someone probably had to reload---and mostlikely STILL missed the target... :eek:
 
Apologize all you want, but you had better be busy writing checks after that debacle! :uhoh:

Holy cow! That footage is one more for the boner file that we send when we hear about how "well-trained" police officers are and thus are the only one qualified to carry firearms.

What a debacle. :(
 
The guy they were shooting at was not even charged with a crime :fire:

I think these guys need to find a new line of work... possibly at a Nerf factory.

I hope the department that trained these 'Cops' gets sued back into the stone-age.
 
Hopefully with better training we could do that to prevent shots into peoples' homes."

And they admit they arent adequetely trained... like that isnt obvious...

The barrage prompted outrage from some residents. Sheriff Lee Baca offered to double the typical payment for damages incurred.

Thats going to be nothing compared to the Lawsuit hayes is going to bring against the department, and I hope he gets millions.

The shooting followed a brief pursuit. Some deputies thought Hayes, who was driving a sport utility vehicle, had shot two deputies while others thought he was trying to ram them, sheriff's officials said.

Thats what they get for 'thinking' isnt that the same as going on a hunch? which is something they arent allowed to do.

Emerson said that Hayes "deserved and needed to be stopped" because deputies had been warned that he was a murder suspect.
Officials later said that Hayes was not involved in the shooting of the deputies, and he has not been charged with a crime.

This guy could have shot killed maimed and dismembered an entire family of a priest... and wouldnt have gotten shot at, but since he shot a cop... they must exucute on sight... whether or not they know its him or not, they think it could have been.... is that what they call good old fashioned police work? I especially like the part when Barney fife points his weapon at the camera man telling him it isnt safe.... and in 120 rounds they couldnt score a fatal hit? they need much more than training... they need new jobs...

[Flame suit on]
 
This guy could have shot killed maimed and dismembered an entire family of a priest... and wouldnt have gotten shot at, but since he shot a cop..


100% RIGHT.

A cops life is worth more than a citizens. The "protect and serve" warranty, some restrictions do apply.
 
In our CHL class, we were taught that you are responsible for where your bullets go. If your stray bullet injures/kills an innocent bystander, regardless of the danger to your life, you are criminally responsible. You have to know where your rounds are going.
 
Enough already, I'm sure all of you would have done much better. Do you realize what LASO has done in this case and how rare that is? By a public acceptance of responsibility and an offer to pay double damages they have in effect admitted liability and will absolutely, positively pay out the butt on settlements. The counties' lawyers must have pooped when they heard the sheriff make these statements.

It just aint gonna get any more mea culpable than this.

Its all so simple when you are on the outside.
 
We have a name for people who use firearms in a negligent manner.

BOZO :neener:

The whole lot of them should be sacked, for being stupid enough to set it up that way. Or maybe for being stupid enough to get caught on camera, or mopery and dopery on the public streets. And sack the sheriff for running a really crappy training program for his deputies.


Sam
 
By a public acceptance of responsibility and an offer to pay double damages they have in effect admitted liability and will absolutely, positively pay out the butt on settlements.

So.. IF a serf had defended him/herself, and sprayed shots everywhere, we would be reading about reckless endangerment with a firearm, and the serf would be in for jail time and criminal trial. Big deal they apologized, it should not have happened to the first place. Thes "officers" were supposed to have been trained better than that. Their judgement is in question as well, firing when you dont know your backstop. Please, they need to be fired, and criminal charges filed.
 
Well, it's impressive that their boss still looks out for them. Half expect them to be cut off and labeled 'bad apples'.

Also, if I shot up a neighbourhood I'd definately appreciate it if my boss paid off the residents to keep my ass out of jail, and got me lawyers. That is one understanding chief, he definately deserves some thank-you notes with his daily box of Tums.
 
You can't compare the two, the cops are apples and civilians are oranges, or vice versa if it makes you feel better.

One law for me, another for thee. That's what I "tire of."

LEO's should be forced to conform to the same laws as the rest of us. If they choose to spray hundreds of rounds at an unarmed suspect, they should be up on the same charges we would face.

I don't ask officers to protect me. I don't want them to try. I want them to leave us alone and stop pretending to our "guardians."
 
To fire 120 shots and not have one shot fired at them means that agency has some serious problems. That residential area exploded into a war zone. They better be prepared to pull that checkbook back out as they most likely won't get off that cheap nor deserve to. Apologies don't cover the agency's problems that were exposed.
 
It annoys me to no end how the police are supposed to be better trained and trusted more in firearms than us citizens and during legislation for or against gun control this comment usually appears from some police organization or spokesman for the reason behind limiting the publics rights or ability to own certain firearms.
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There is absolutly no excuse in the world why this should have happened. None. Especially the cross firing between sides on the part of the cops.
It goes beyond poor training to pure outright incompetence.
The officers involved should be put on administrative leave pending further training not only in firearms, but in procedure and communications.

The apology doesn't mean a thing because it shouldn't have happened.
If your dealing in life or death situations, there is no room for error.
 
gangs

Gangs are gangs man, kinda looked like a reverse drive-by.........Seriously though, I'd almost bet money the shooting will be classified "justifiable" and the county will pay out like a slot machine.
 
If I was a cop and all my buddies were screaming and firing at something, I don't want to sound like weak-minded, but I'd probably shoot at it too, without asking questions (Which they coldn't hear over the gunfire anyway). Wouldn't make it right, just that I'd be guilty too, for not using my own brain and thinking, even a little bit.

And if you watch the video you see the guy shoot his buddy through the suv! Talk about zombies.
 
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