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Does anyone know if gun shows fall under the local "public gathering" statute which prohibits carrying guns at those places? Or, are the show organizers just pandering to the VPC/Brady crowd?
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Does anyone know if gun shows fall under the local "public gathering" statute which prohibits carrying guns at those places? Or, are the show organizers just pandering to the VPC/Brady crowd?
clubsoda22
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I'm moving off campus thanks to my university's gun policy. I was chatting about recent muggings on campus and made a pro-carry remark which was overheared by a campus safety officer. My dorm room was searced later that night at 2:30AM. I obviosly had no guns there because i keep them at home.
Next year i'm hoping to move off campus so i can keep my guns with me.
We constantly get e-mails from the campus safety director telling us about another mugging or shooting on or near campus. If you walk 20yards off campus i can point you the street signs with a half dozen bullet holes in them. I have sat on the steps of my dorm and heared gunshots more than once. I run EMS in the area an own a bulletproof vest for that reason.
I currently carry pepper spray, that i have been told i'm "not allowed to have" and a 3.5" CKRT point guard while on campus.
Due to the crime problem on my campus, upon the reciept of my CCW on my 21st birthday, i will be knowingly and willfully violating my schools gun policy.
Next year i'm hoping to move off campus so i can keep my guns with me.
We constantly get e-mails from the campus safety director telling us about another mugging or shooting on or near campus. If you walk 20yards off campus i can point you the street signs with a half dozen bullet holes in them. I have sat on the steps of my dorm and heared gunshots more than once. I run EMS in the area an own a bulletproof vest for that reason.
I currently carry pepper spray, that i have been told i'm "not allowed to have" and a 3.5" CKRT point guard while on campus.
Due to the crime problem on my campus, upon the reciept of my CCW on my 21st birthday, i will be knowingly and willfully violating my schools gun policy.
voilsb
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I don't remember what the law says regarding persons who don't have CCWs, but according to Oregon law, if you have a CCW, you can carry your firearm anywhere in the state you want except courthouses.
PS: I invite you to join other Oregonians over at http://oregonconcealedcarry.com
cracked butt
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Wouldn't want women to be armed at Universities because some of the star athletes might end up on a slab.:banghead:
SJG26
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Hey Clubsoda.................
Sorry to hear of the search affair----------------any legal precedent to knock the school with or do you forfeit all rights while you reside in "their" dorm??
North of you in Berks by the way.........................
Sorry to hear of the search affair----------------any legal precedent to knock the school with or do you forfeit all rights while you reside in "their" dorm??
North of you in Berks by the way.........................
HankB
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I've never been one to conform to "practice" or obey "rules" . . . in this circumstance, I'd be concerned only with what the law says.
Surprising that he knew who you were and where you lived. Did you waive your 4th amenedment rights by signing a lease agreement that allows them to search without a warrant at any time? If not, a call to 911 when they were pounding on the door would have been in order.
Or maybe you should start keeping a bear trap under the clothes in your sock drawer?
Hmmm . . . perhaps you and like-minded individuals should be "overheard" discussing the weapons in OTHER student's rooms . . . MANY other student's rooms . . . or perhaps, better yet, stored in administrator's cars?
corncob
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Here in SC it is a FELONY to have a firearm on school grounds. Kind of sad considering the crime rate on the USC campus. In 1998 I was awakened by a shootout at the convenience store across the street from my dorm. While my wife and I lived in an apartment on the edge of campus, our car was broken into twice, and a US attourny was shot down on the street two blocks from our home while walking back to his hotel from a bar.
The Undertoad
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Man that sucks. Same deal here, it's perfectly LEGAL to carry on campus. But I could get expelled. Hell, according to the student guidebook an airsoft gun or "replica" gun would be enough... 
Sorry to hear about your search clubsoda22. I am moving off campus as soon as this semester ends and I haven't been happier in a looooong time. Especially as the apartment I'm moving to is where I'm keeping my guns now.
Sorry to hear about your search clubsoda22. I am moving off campus as soon as this semester ends and I haven't been happier in a looooong time. Especially as the apartment I'm moving to is where I'm keeping my guns now.
ny32182
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I visit some friends at USC (South Carolina) from time to time.
They all live off campus, I think, and I definitely have the pt-92 in the car or within reach all the time. That place looks like trouble. Aside from that, I can't tell what the campus boundaries actually are, so I've probably been a felon on a few occasions down there....
They all live off campus, I think, and I definitely have the pt-92 in the car or within reach all the time. That place looks like trouble. Aside from that, I can't tell what the campus boundaries actually are, so I've probably been a felon on a few occasions down there....
got a response
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The current 2003-2004 Student Handbook has the following among prohibited
behaviors:
"Unauthorized storage, use or possession on any campus property (including
items in vehicles) of weapons (as defined by local, state and federal law,
and including any object or substance designed to inflict a wound or cause
injury); explosives; projectiles; flammable solvents; biohazardous,
volatile, or poisonous materials of any kind; or other items which may be
hazardous to the health or safety of others. This inclues, but is not
limited to guns (which includes stun, paint, pellet, dart or BB guns, cap
guns or starter pistols, air rifles or water and toy guns which may be
perceived to be actual weapons), bows, arrows, axes, knives or blades of
any type, numchucks, throwing stars, sling shots, firecrackers or
fireworks. Students wishing to hunt during state approved seasons or to
use this equipment in approved physical education classes may [Note: This
probably should be changed to "shall"] contact Campus Police to store their
firearm or bow (in addition to other sanctions, an automatic minimum fine
of $500 shall be assessed, and suspension or expulsion from the college
will be examined);"
J. Ransom Clark
Vice President for Administration
Muskingum College
""
where to begin...
"Unauthorized storage, use or possession on any campus property (including
items in vehicles) of weapons (as defined by local, state and federal law,
and including any object or substance designed to inflict a wound or cause
injury); Spyderco delica?explosives;projectiles; flammable solvents; Gasoline?biohazardous,
volatile, or poisonous materials of any kind; Hairspray? other items which may be
hazardous to the health or safety of others. This inclues, but is not
limited to guns (which includes stun, paint,Whoops, looks like I violate campus policy every weekend. Funny, the school sponsored paintball trip, everyone brought thier markerspellet, dart or BB guns, cap
guns ***?! or starter pistols, air rifles or water and toy guns which may be
perceived to be actual weapons), bows, arrows, axes, knives or blades of
any type, Guess that answers the spyderco questionnumchucks, throwing stars, sling shots, firecrackers or
fireworks. Students wishing to hunt during state approved seasons or to
use this equipment in approved physical education classes may [Note: This
probably should be changed to "shall"] contact Campus Police to store their
firearm or bow (in addition to other sanctions, an automatic minimum fine
of $500 shall be assessed, and suspension or expulsion from the college
will be examined); this last part is really unclear. you get fined for dropping your bow off?
Wow. I feel really bad for even going to school here.
I don't live at a gun show. Also there is some difference between a keychain knife and a 1911.
""
The current 2003-2004 Student Handbook has the following among prohibited
behaviors:
"Unauthorized storage, use or possession on any campus property (including
items in vehicles) of weapons (as defined by local, state and federal law,
and including any object or substance designed to inflict a wound or cause
injury); explosives; projectiles; flammable solvents; biohazardous,
volatile, or poisonous materials of any kind; or other items which may be
hazardous to the health or safety of others. This inclues, but is not
limited to guns (which includes stun, paint, pellet, dart or BB guns, cap
guns or starter pistols, air rifles or water and toy guns which may be
perceived to be actual weapons), bows, arrows, axes, knives or blades of
any type, numchucks, throwing stars, sling shots, firecrackers or
fireworks. Students wishing to hunt during state approved seasons or to
use this equipment in approved physical education classes may [Note: This
probably should be changed to "shall"] contact Campus Police to store their
firearm or bow (in addition to other sanctions, an automatic minimum fine
of $500 shall be assessed, and suspension or expulsion from the college
will be examined);"
J. Ransom Clark
Vice President for Administration
Muskingum College
""
where to begin...
"Unauthorized storage, use or possession on any campus property (including
items in vehicles) of weapons (as defined by local, state and federal law,
and including any object or substance designed to inflict a wound or cause
injury); Spyderco delica?explosives;projectiles; flammable solvents; Gasoline?biohazardous,
volatile, or poisonous materials of any kind; Hairspray? other items which may be
hazardous to the health or safety of others. This inclues, but is not
limited to guns (which includes stun, paint,Whoops, looks like I violate campus policy every weekend. Funny, the school sponsored paintball trip, everyone brought thier markerspellet, dart or BB guns, cap
guns ***?! or starter pistols, air rifles or water and toy guns which may be
perceived to be actual weapons), bows, arrows, axes, knives or blades of
any type, Guess that answers the spyderco questionnumchucks, throwing stars, sling shots, firecrackers or
fireworks. Students wishing to hunt during state approved seasons or to
use this equipment in approved physical education classes may [Note: This
probably should be changed to "shall"] contact Campus Police to store their
firearm or bow (in addition to other sanctions, an automatic minimum fine
of $500 shall be assessed, and suspension or expulsion from the college
will be examined); this last part is really unclear. you get fined for dropping your bow off?
Wow. I feel really bad for even going to school here.
I don't live at a gun show. Also there is some difference between a keychain knife and a 1911.
From the Concealed Carry Law (HB 12) section on areas where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited:
"Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immeditae process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;"
If it's a private university, then I'm pretty sure they have the right to ban weapons anywhere on their property simply because it's private property.
If it's a public university, section 9 of the law which doesn't allow municipal governments to extend the areas that are prohibited, may prevent the university from banning people from carrying them in cars and putting them in the trunk. I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my guesses as legal advice.
However, even if they can't ban just anyone who has a gun in their car on the property, they can probably still have rules which allow them to fire staff and expell students that carry or possess weapons on campus.
"Any premises owned or leased by any public or private college, university, or other institution of higher education unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immeditae process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle;"
If it's a private university, then I'm pretty sure they have the right to ban weapons anywhere on their property simply because it's private property.
If it's a public university, section 9 of the law which doesn't allow municipal governments to extend the areas that are prohibited, may prevent the university from banning people from carrying them in cars and putting them in the trunk. I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my guesses as legal advice.
However, even if they can't ban just anyone who has a gun in their car on the property, they can probably still have rules which allow them to fire staff and expell students that carry or possess weapons on campus.
Jack19
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Scissors, nail clippers, razors and razor blades.......
Mizzoutiger
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If being successful in life anymore didn't require that I have a degree... I wouldn't have come here. I feel dumber for having attended university. I feel violated of my God-given rights expressed in the Constitution of the United States. I feel that there ought to be a revolution in academia... a coup of the oppressed students. I think the tree of liberty needs a little waterin'.
cidirkona
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I would assume "safety" razors with plastic around the blade are ok, although a straight razor might get you in trouble...
U of A Weapons Policy: "The ABOR Policy Manual defines weapon as "any object or substance designed to inflict a wound, cause injury or incapacitate, including without limitation, all firearms, pellet guns, switchblade knives, knives with blades five or more inches in length and chemicals, such as mace or tear gas but excluding normally available over-the-counter self defense chemical repellants"."
I think it's time to go buy a 5" blade... hahaha j/k
http://info-center.ccit.arizona.edu/~policy/weapons.shtml
-Colin
U of A Weapons Policy: "The ABOR Policy Manual defines weapon as "any object or substance designed to inflict a wound, cause injury or incapacitate, including without limitation, all firearms, pellet guns, switchblade knives, knives with blades five or more inches in length and chemicals, such as mace or tear gas but excluding normally available over-the-counter self defense chemical repellants"."
I think it's time to go buy a 5" blade... hahaha j/k
http://info-center.ccit.arizona.edu/~policy/weapons.shtml
-Colin
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My college specifically prohibits the UNLAWFUL carry of weapons on campus. And since there are no state laws against carry on a college campus i can pack in class if i really had a mind to do so. It's nice that someone had the wit to write a policy like that that allows CCW but, doesnt freak out the lefties either.
clubsoda22
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You basically waive all your rights when you sign your housing contract, but it's their policy not to search without what they consider a "reasonable suspicion". The officer knew me because prior to that we had been on friendly terms. Because i'm one of the handful of volunteer EMT's running at local departments from the campus, most of the safety officers know me. One of the guys who searched my room i'm still friendly with because almost directly afterwards (when his supervisor wasn't around) he basically told me he thought the search was BS and if anything went down on campus he hoped i was lying about not having a gun there because he certainly isn't able to carry one. I'm happy this guy is taking his LEO exam and will be a cop in this town soon. His supervisor, who also searched the room, gave me lots of crap while searching by room and i was kinda bitter about that.
The supervisor was an ex city cop, who, judging by the teardrop tattoo under his left eye, had lost a homie when he was a gang member, i assume before becoming a cop....interesting
BTW, a kid got shot at in the parking lot tonight. Someone on the other side of I95 shot over the highway at him (I95 is recessed at that point). Fortunately all the bullets missed. As far as we can tell this was a random act of violence as there is know way the shooter could have identified the kid from that distance. It's what we call "urban target practice"
This incident was not reported to the student body, the only way i found out was through the afforementioned officer i'm still friends with. Supposedly, this is not uncommon. This area is a massive corridor for drug traffic from wilmington to philadelphia. The median household income is about $25K/year, comapred to a national average of $40K. A bunch of rich, disarmed white kids in the middle of all this makes an easy target. Obviously, crime is a problem.
The supervisor was an ex city cop, who, judging by the teardrop tattoo under his left eye, had lost a homie when he was a gang member, i assume before becoming a cop....interesting
BTW, a kid got shot at in the parking lot tonight. Someone on the other side of I95 shot over the highway at him (I95 is recessed at that point). Fortunately all the bullets missed. As far as we can tell this was a random act of violence as there is know way the shooter could have identified the kid from that distance. It's what we call "urban target practice"
This incident was not reported to the student body, the only way i found out was through the afforementioned officer i'm still friends with. Supposedly, this is not uncommon. This area is a massive corridor for drug traffic from wilmington to philadelphia. The median household income is about $25K/year, comapred to a national average of $40K. A bunch of rich, disarmed white kids in the middle of all this makes an easy target. Obviously, crime is a problem.
KadicDeshi
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Hey sm,
Just wanted to point this out to a fellow Arkansan:
According to the law for CHL,
5-73-306. Prohibited places.
(a) No license issued pursuant to this subchapter shall authorize any person to carry a concealed handgun into:
14) Any school, college, community college, or university campus building or event, unless for the purpose of participating in an authorized firearms-related activity;
I asked my CHL instructor (ASU campus PO) about this. His response: "Yeah, it's legal ... I wouldn't push it, though."
Also, a campus officer stopped a friend of mine while he was in the university parking lot. She asked him if he was carrying. He replied that he was and she asked if she could see his weapon. He'd just gotten a GLOCK 23 and was pretty proud of it and they chatted about guns for a while before she let him go.
A little food for thought,
Barrett
Just wanted to point this out to a fellow Arkansan:
According to the law for CHL,
5-73-306. Prohibited places.
(a) No license issued pursuant to this subchapter shall authorize any person to carry a concealed handgun into:
14) Any school, college, community college, or university campus building or event, unless for the purpose of participating in an authorized firearms-related activity;
I asked my CHL instructor (ASU campus PO) about this. His response: "Yeah, it's legal ... I wouldn't push it, though."
Also, a campus officer stopped a friend of mine while he was in the university parking lot. She asked him if he was carrying. He replied that he was and she asked if she could see his weapon. He'd just gotten a GLOCK 23 and was pretty proud of it and they chatted about guns for a while before she let him go.
A little food for thought,
Barrett
clubsoda22
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There's no legal prohibiton in, PA, but you'll get kicked out if caught.
Kinda strange that if you are legally carrying a gun you get expenned, no questions asked, but if you're found dealing illegal drugs you'll probably just get put on probation for a semester.
Given the universities afforementioned crime problem (read my above post), it should be the other way around.
Kinda strange that if you are legally carrying a gun you get expenned, no questions asked, but if you're found dealing illegal drugs you'll probably just get put on probation for a semester.
Given the universities afforementioned crime problem (read my above post), it should be the other way around.
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