Possibility of Smith Bringing Back The Mdl 13/65

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With multiple companies introducing compact, snub barreled, 6 shot defensive revolvers; what are the chances of Smith re-introducing the Mdl's 13 and 65 ? I mean, they still list the Mdl 10 in their catalog; it wouldn't be difficult to ream the cylinder to .357 Magnum specs and turn the 4" barrel into a 3" barrel..... here's hoping.
 
You wouldn't want them to. Take a look at this one to see what S&W quality used to be. Study the pictures carefully.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/958939195

This is not a Registered Magnum, but just an ordinary production 38. The quality of postwar production at S&W declined somewhat, but there are many fine examples from the blue-and-gold box Hellstrom era. By the time the 65 and then 13 were introduced, Daniel B. Wesson II had long departed Smith and was busy building-up Dan Wesson firearms. There are some quality guns that came out of the Bangor Punta era, but they are a smaller portion of the production from those days. As of late, S&W has adopted some engineering and technologies that improve the function of carelessly assembled guns, but that's all they are.
 
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If, and thats a big IF, Viejo Tio Jose’ in the white house can get his magazine capacity ban pipe dreams realized, I think there will be a greater possibility some of these older designs may be brought to market again.

Absent that, these heavier-larger revolvers are more of a niche compared to the smaller ccw revolvers ( Airweight J frames still fly off the shelves ) and autos. When a newbie can pack a 16-shot Glock 19 or similar gun compared to a comparably sized 3” 6-shot Model 13 that runs $300 more to buy, they usually go for the auto. (I love my M-13, but I don’t carry it.) For this reason I don’t see S&W bringing them out anytime soon. :(

Stay safe.
 
If I wanted something like a Model 13 from current production, I would look at the Colt King Cobra. The big rubber grips are off-putting, but the Target model readily shows what could be had with a simple grip swap.
The new Colt King Cobra is the best carry revolver I've handled....ever. Shoots like a dream. They did it up right.
 
If I wanted something like a Model 13 from current production, I would look at the Colt King Cobra. The big rubber grips are off-putting, but the Target model readily shows what could be had with a simple grip swap.
And we've all seen what Colt QC is like, haven't we ?
 
As a regular buyer of S&W revolvers over the last 4 1/2 years, I would take my chances with Colt before I bought another new S&W. The current King Cobra is very much like a model 65. I've not heard of any quality issues with it at all. We've all heard the issues with the Python. It's rather remarkable that Colt fumbled that when they should have known that re-introducing the Python would be reacted to with intense scrutiny from everyone. I mean, who didn't anticipate an awful disappointment where we were all going to say, "they don't make 'em like they used to." But to the point, while Colt fumbled the side-plate screw torque and thread-lock thing and the rear sight, the design and function of the new Pythons has not disappointed many of the very serious Python fans like Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. I don't own one myself nor have I shot one, but I've handled a new Python in the store back-to-back with an original blued Python. I couldn't tell the difference in the DA trigger and the quality of the fit and finish were equal in every way. For a shooter, I would take the new one and the $1000+ difference.

I've given a lot of lee-way to S&W. I've used several of their current production revolvers for EDC for these last 4 1/2 years. I've had numerous quality issues with them. S&W has fixed some of them, and flubbed others. It's never been an issue where I wanted them to please me for free. I have paid the Performance Center to fix things to my satisfaction, but they failed multiple times to do it, proving that they are actually incapable of producing a quality product at any price.

Colts are more expensive, but they might be worth it. I cannot attest from personal experience with Colt, but I can from S&W. I would not buy another new one until something changes. If I had to guess what needs to happen is for someone to buy the remaining Massachusetts factory and revolver production from S&W that abandoned it for Tennessee, possibly with a license to continue using the brand name on the revolvers, raise revolver prices by 50%, and start building them right. That might bring me back.
 
A visit to the S&W Forum says a lot.

Numerous postings have appeared with praise
for the new Colt revolver offerings, the Python
and the King Cobras.

Those who have suggested the new King Cobra
as an alternative to a Model 65 just might be right.
I'm not known as a Colt fan but the King Cobra
has impressed me. And it's in the price range
of new S&Ws.
 
I do hope S&W expands their offerings and I hope they get their QA act together.
But I will tell you all this, unless people buy their new revolvers or new offerings what makes you think they will do anything to change?
Why put tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars into resurrecting old models, updating current model processes or quality control if no one buys anything to make it profitable enough to put in the effort?
 
My HD handgun right now is a 3" K-frame. It's also my preferred hiking carry.

The 3" barrel and boot grips make it like a slightly miniaturized 4" service revolver.

I prefer it to the J-frames because the sights are easier to see and the trigger is better.
 
Consider Mas Ayoob's advice on
releasing the cylinder. His demo
makes good sense.

Then it's not the "wrong direction."
It's actually the correct direction. :)

I suspect I do not release the cylinder anything like that way Massad Ayoob does. There is a reason vanishing few people use Colts in USPSA and only slightly more than vanishing in IDPA. Cylinder release and trigger return springs.

 
I bought a 3 inch barreled Model 19 a couple of years ago, so SW could make a short barreled 13 or 65 without a much re-engineering. They beefed up the frame to handle the 125 grain magnum loads better.

The finish on my newer 19 is utilitarian, but I like the gun.
 
S&W is not all that innovative. I know some have issues with Taurus that aside, go look at their line up. You can get a 22 revolver with a 2", 3", 4" and 6.5" barrel. Multiple 3 inch 6 shot 38 specials. S&W guys are paying $1000 to get a like new, 3 inch model 10. Taurus makes revolvers in 327 mag, .380 and 9mm. They have a convertible 22/22 magnum.
If you want a 2.5 or 3 inch S&W model 19, your only choice is a Performance Center, ported barrel gun. They make a 4 inch model 10 and made the model 64 until a couple years ago. Why not offer a 2 and 3 inch? Why not offer the 13 or 65, especially in a 3 inch barreled version? It's not like they have to design a new gun. Just a few more barrel Length options would be nice.
Might be wrong, but I think the profit margins are a lot higher on polymer framed semi autos. The frames are molded, and most small metal parts are MIM or stamped. Sure the slide needs some milling, but compared to hammer forging revolver frames which then need extensive milling, somewhat skilled assemblers and someone to polish or bead blast the final product there is a lot going into a revolver in both material and labor that I don't see in their polymer pistols
If I am right and the profit margin is higher on semi autos, then they are no doubt putting a lot more resources into that side of the business. When gun sales exploded in early 2020 I noticed they dropped a few revolver versions as well as leaving the entire 45 acp revolver market with elimination of the model 625 and variants
 
I love my S&W 65LS. Out of my current handguns, it is my oldest (I sold my first two guns unfortunately). I've long felt 3" K-frame .357mag is "just right." It is small and light enough to carry (with a good belt), large and heavy enough to handle full house magnums, and the 3" barrel handles better than the 4" and provides just enough added velocity over the 2" for better expansion if you use JHP.

That said, I recently went to the range with my S&W 65LS and my new model 3" Colt King Cobra. Even at over 20 years old, well over 10K rounds (I stopped counting about 15 years ago) and untold amount of dry firing, the well broken in 65LS' trigger was a little lacking compared to the relatively new (3 years old) Colt. I had thought the Colt cylinder release would be a disadvantage, but despite years of S&W and Taurus, it really was quite natural. Also, a friend of mine just recently got into guns and bought his first (a Glock 19). He is thinking he may want a revolver for the simplicity for home defense. I actually brought them so he could check them out. He liked the Colt better.

As a small frame, the Colt conceals better and is about 10oz lighter. However, it isn't really fun with full magnums. For carry and home defense, I prefer .38+P JHP over magnums for quicker follow up shots and less noise, so that isn't really a practical disadvantage. Given that, a Taurus 856 Defender would also make for an interesting (and much less expensive) option, and Taurus seems to finally be getting their QC right. A larger K-frame would be good as a field gun to take advantage of the magnums, but for a woods gun (i.e. not all day CCW), I'd rather go with a 4" barrel for slightly less muzzle flip and slightly higher velocity (for even better penetration and expansion). So (and I hate to say this), I think I'd prefer they bring it back, but in 4" instead of 3".
 
Colt cylinder release goes the wrong direction... :(

Will get your killed in the streets... :eek:
I might be a Colt hater...:)
It's a pleasure to see that there are 5 (so far) people here that follow that line of thinking.
Don't forget about that cylinder that turns in the wrong direction also. That's another thing that can be bad for your health in the "streets".
 
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