possible gunshots outside my home: what I learned.

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B yond

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Here's the scoop:

Around 7:30 pm yesterday I am sitting in my living room with my 2 y/o daughter when I hear 6 loud pops coming from outside my home. I immediately go into alert-mode and call for my wife to come watch our daughter. I run upstairs and grab some more substantial firepower and my phone (only had a .22 mag mini-revolver on me at the time). I slipped on my running shoes, slid my 380 into its paddle holster and put that on, tucked my phone and flashlight into my pockets, handed my wife our HD .45 w/weapons light, and went outside.

Outside I found my neighbors from both sides discussing the sounds, one of whom was on the phone with the cops and was convinced the sounds were gunfire. He swore it sounded like a 12ga shotgun, although it sounded more like a car backfiring to me.

Anyway, while the police were on the way I took a quick look around (very cautiously) just to make sure no one was hurt and waited outside for the cops to show up.

Here's the alarming part: 15 MINUTES LATER a single police cruiser rolls through the parking lot without the spotlight on! I was standing in a shadow under a tree and the officer drove right past me without noticing! As I stood there amazed that he didn't see me I noticed that the hood latch on my vehicle was popped on one side, so I walked over and latched it, which set off my car alarm and got the police officer's attention. He parked his car and walked over to me nonchalantly.

He asked me where I lived and if it was my car, never verifying anything I told him. He was very nice about it all, I just expected him to be more cautious. He quickly turned his back on me to scan the area with his maglight. I advised him that I'd taken a quick look around and noticed that the front and rear gates of a vacant home were open. He called for backup and they checked the yard and left. He kind of shrugged as he walked away and said they weren't sure what the reported noises were. Fine by me; I thought it was just a car backfiring anyway.

So here's what I learned:
-I need to keep a pair of shoes by the door.
-I should have an adequate weapon securely stored downstairs (I always have something on me, although it's often just my NAA .22 mag when I'm relaxing at home).
-I should have taken my keys outside with me. Would've helped with the car alarm. :eek:
-Police response time for multiple gunshots is 15 FREAKING MINUTES!!! :what:

Here's what I did wrong and why:
-I went outside to investigate. That was dumb. I did take a look out the window first and saw my neighbors out there, I didn't think they were actually gunshots (but they could have been), and I just wanted to make sure no one was hurt (because I have a little bit of training in dealing with that sort of thing).
-Waited outside for the police. Also very dumb. I could've been considered a suspect. I could've startled the officer and gotten shot. I wasn't the one who called them, and they had no reason to assume I'm not the bad guy.

I guess this is where I open the door for comments and critique...
 
Live and learn...:)I think the best thing is to review it and make changes for next time.

Add lights, locks, change habits, etc.:scrutiny:
 
Once again, the function of the police, thanks to our judicial system and the "activists" is to clean up after the crime.

We need to be able to be proactive in protecting ourselves (and I am a person that took 45 years to reach that perspective).
 
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I guess it depends on where you live. I live out in the country and the only time I called 911 was for a very loud domestic altercation about 400 yds away. Response time was 90 mins. Everyone at the residence went inside about 5 mins before the police car showed up. It turned around in another neighbor's driveway and left.
Maybe some cities have a better response time but around here you don't rely on 911 in an emergency.
 
Good self-assessment! Now, enact it every day. Sitting here with a Glock 19C on the right, a Glock 26 on the ankle, and extra mags all loaded with Winchester Ranger HPs. The Rem 870 is loaded, and the doors are deadbolted and chaired.

My wife schoffed as I strapped-on my G26 to my ankle, retorting something about two pistols. I simply looked at her and ask, "What, you think the G19C can't break?! Better one pistol too many, than not enough." She actually looked at me and agreed. :eek:

I just prevailed in my first marital disagreement in 24 years!!

Wow!

Doc2005
 
I called 911 on a east coast gas station when two kids ran in seeking shelter from what they claimed to be a man with gun down by the tracks.

The resulting army that showed up within 45 seconds was most reassuring. They flooded the entire area and I think just about every LEO availible was on the job. I lost count after 40 cars rolling in silently.

For loud noise where I am, it takes a while for anyone to show up. So... that sealed it for us to go with HD.
 
Maybe some cities have a better response time but around here you don't rely on 911 in an emergency.
I've got more than enough experience, even in places with good police forces to know that only a fool relies upon 911 for his personal safety in an emergency.

Let's say that the average response time where you live is five minutes. Anybody here willing to volunteer to find out how many times someone can beat you with a claw hammer or stab you in five minutes? That's assuming that nobody at 911 screws up, that the police don't screw up, or even that somebody doesn't run a red light and hit the police car on the way to your house. And that of course assumes that the guy with the hammer, knife or gun LETS you dial 911.
 
B yond said:
-Police response time for multiple gunshots is 15 FREAKING MINUTES

I guess I would base my "lessons learned" off of this.

15 minute response times mean that you need to be able to thwart a violent home invasion for 15 minutes.
 
Add hiding in the busshes armed after a shots fireed call as police roll by to your list of mistakes. good way to get shot.
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Please reread the post. Standing under a tree in shadows is not 'hiding in the busshes'. Also, are you implying the police would've simply rolled down a window and fireed away the first suspicious fellow they saw?
 
Just to add a thought. I can see a .380 as a defensive carry piece, but I wouldn't go out looking for trouble with one.
 
I can see a .380 as a defensive carry piece, but I wouldn't go out looking for trouble with one.

I'll second that. Let me get this straight, all of this was because of a noise that really sounded like a vehicle that backfired?

Lighten up.
 
1 lonely squad car!? Here in Denver, if there is even a report of a person with a gun I have seen the police arrive (Not just few cars, A shift leader or commander and atleast 5 deputies) in a matter of less than 2 minutes. Strangely enough it was an intruder in my house calling the police on me, I said fine go ahead. So he got himself arrested.
-FL
 
An intruder called the police to tell them you had a gun, while they were in the, intruder status, in your place? Wow. Explain that a little more.
 
I guess it depends on where you live. I live out in the country and the only time

Where we live makes all the difference. I had a guest who woke up to gun shots near my house. When they asked what I was going to do about it, I replied "Make breakfast."
 
Where we live makes all the difference. I had a guest who woke up to gun shots near my house. When they asked what I was going to do about it, I replied "Make breakfast."
I live over the Cleveland Metroparks. I occasionally hear gunshots down in the valley. I've never called the cops. There wouldn't be any point. It's the jurisdiction of the Metroparks Rangers. The last time I saw them called, it was around 1989. It was because a friend thought he heard a woman screaming in the Metropark in Berea after dark. He called at least three times. We're still waiting for them to come...
 
I heard a string of "pops" about 3-4 months back one night at my apartment. It was about 15-20 semi-auto shots that sounded like they were coming from 2+ guns. I live in the top level of a 4plex in the city so I just secured that my door was locked and checked the windows with my CZ-75b in hand. Since I did not see anything out the windows I left it at that and just went back to the computer and put my pistol back on the desk beside me.

~Norinco
 
I can see a .380 as a defensive carry piece, but I wouldn't go out looking for trouble with one.

I want to make it clear that I wasn't looking for trouble. I was checking my vehicles and making sure no one was hurt. I'm not a cop and I don't pretend to be. I have some first aid knowledge and just wanted to be sure everyone was OK.

Now, to defend my choice of the 380 as the weapon to take with me; I had to choose between my .22mag minirevolver, by .45 with flashlight, the 380, or one of my other guns which I'm not licensed to carry concealed. I chose the 380 so I could leave the 45 with my wife and kid. I stand by that decision.

Add hiding in the busshes armed after a shots fireed call as police roll by to your list of mistakes. good way to get shot.
Wasn't hiding or in the bushes. Just standing in a shadow under a tall tree on a dark night in a dim parking lot. :p
But yeah, bad place to stand. Hindsight is 20/20.

Let me get this straight, all of this was because of a noise that really sounded like a vehicle that backfired?
It sounded that way to me. Some of my neighbors swear up and down that they were gunshots. Remember; I'm not the one who called the cops. I would've been content to take a quick look around and make sure everyone was alright and call it a night.

Anyway, the reason I thought it was important to start this thread is to emphasize the need to be able to defend yourself and your family until help arrives, which could be awhile. It took the police 15 minutes to get to my home after they were called. I could get in my car and drive to the police station in about 5 minutes obeying all traffic laws! You can't assume that close proximity to the P.S. means help is nearby.

For that matter, the hospital is even closer than the P.S., and If I'm unable to drive there myself I bet it would take awhile for an ambulance to pick me up and get me there. Same deal with the F.D.; it's important to be self reliant because help is not instant.
 
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Now, to defend my choice of the 380 as the weapon to take with me; I had to choose between my .22mag minirevolver, by .45 with flashlight, the 380, or one of my other guns which I'm not licensed to carry concealed. I chose the 380 so I could leave the 45 with my wife and kid. I stand by that decision.

Would one of the other not licensed to carry guns been just as good as the .45 for the wife and kid?

BTW, what state requires CCW qualification with a particular gun? I've heard of that, just don't know which states require it.
 
Thank you for posting your hind sight, it helps remind the rest of us to revisit and revise our own plans if needed.
 
B yond, what state are you in that you have to declare what your concealed weapon will be?
Northern CA. I'm limited to 3 weapons for CCW and they must all be printed on my permit with make, model, caliber, and S/N. I also have to qualify with each one.

I don't like being limited to 3, but I do think the required qualification is a good thing.
 
Wyocarp,

Yes an intruder, im MY house, called the police on me, to tell them that there was an armed person involved. They didnt say whose house it was. Needless to say, he got arrested, there were many laughs betwixt myself and a gang of DPD deputies and supervisors.
-FL
 
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