Possible to tell if a Glock has one in the pipe?

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I own a Glock 27. I started carrying it everywhere with the chamber empty and with a charged magazine in the gun. Before inserting the magazine, I cocked the gun so it would be easier to cycle if necessary.

I quickly gained confidence to carry in Condition 1 (charged magazine, cocked, and "one in the pipe", when I'm out and about. When I'm at home, I still revert to the first method that I mentioned. I find that while I'm sitting on a chair or couch the gun is often pointing at one of my family members through my clothing, and I still get the hebegebees.

Also, sometimes the younguns like to climb on my lap and I fear that the gun may slide out of the holster enough for something to get to the trigger.

I know that it takes valuable time to rack the silde before firing, but my rationale is that since I'm in my home, upstairs, I may have an extra couple of seconds to react to a situation.

And now my question: Sometimes I forget what condition my gun is in. I know that I can tell if the gun is cocked by the positon of the trigger. I would like to know if there is a way to tell if a Glock is cocked, AND has one in the pipe?

I'm sure that I'll get more confident to always be in Condition 1, in time, but for now I'm still working toward that day.

Thanks,


Randy
 
What generation is it?

All the recent manufacture Glocks, that I'm aware of, Have a little "button" or protrusion on the outside of the extractor. If that protrusion is flush with the slide, no round is chambered. If that protrusion is above-flush with the slide around it then there is a round chambered.

Of course, all machines can fail so do not necessarily rely on that one little bit of metal telling you without a doubt what the condition is.

Also, sometimes the younguns like to climb on my lap and I fear that the gun may slide out of the holster enough for something to get to the trigger.
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Then I would strongly suggest investing in a holster with some sort of retention system. A proper retention holster will not allow anywhere near enough play to allow something to enter the trigger guard.
 
As average shooter says, the newer Glocks (after what, 2003?) have a loaded chamber indicator built into the extractor which causes it to stick out a bit when there is a round chambered.
 
Pressing the slide back and looking is the only sure way. If the trigger is in its forward position:
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it is "cocked" and ready to fire with a pull of the trigger. If it is in the rearward position:

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it is "uncocked." Even then, there is no guarantee that there is (or is not) a round in the chamber.
 
You can change your extractor to a loaded chamber indicator extractor. I did took about 3 minutes and I was still pretty new to the whole glock thing.
 
I just removed the magazine and unloaded the chamber and don't see any difference. My Glock seems to be a generation 3, according to the charts showing generation 1-3.
 
With the early extractors, it's possible to tell, but the new ones are easier and fully interchangeable.
 
I cocked the gun so it would be easier to cycle if necessary.
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That really should not make any difference in racking the slide any faster.

Sometimes I forget what condition my gun is in.
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That is one reason why I am a firm believer in deciding which condition to carry your fire arm and stick with it. So that way you follow the same presentation everytime you practice. This will help guarantee that you do not mistakenly try to fire a gun with out a round in the chamber when your life depends on it.

Like it has been suggested a good holster will keep the gun secure and cover the trigger guard.

unloaded the chamber and don't see any difference
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Run your finger along the extractor with and with out a round chambered and you can feel the difference.
 
Oh, if the trigger on a Glock is in the full rearward position, IF there is a round in the chamber, it's a dud and there's no way to pull the trigger again unless you reciprocate the slide enough to reset the striker.

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If the trigger is forward, it means the gun is cocked. It doesn't mean there is a round in the chamber.
 
That is one reason why I am a firm believer in deciding which condition to carry your fire arm and stick with it. So that way you follow the same presentation everytime you practice. This will help guarantee that you do not mistakenly try to fire a gun with out a round in the chamber when your life depends on it.
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I agree. We have one style of handgun, and have them all in the same condition.
 
Sometimes I forget what condition my gun is in....
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I echo the above post.

Keep the gun ONE WAY and learn how to handle it THAT way.

For Glocks, if I carry one, it's chamber loaded. If in the safe, the mag may be full, but the striker will be forward, as indicated by the trigger. I never keep a Glock stored with the striker cocked, even tho the chamber is empty.
 
How can you forget if your gun is loaded? There is one time when my gun is unloaded: when I'm cleaning it. That's it. Otherwise it's always loaded.
 
I agree that the gun should be carried in one way, and one way only.

My opinion is that a carry gun should have a full magazine, and a loaded chamber. If one isn't comfortable doing this with a Glock, one needs the following, likely in this order:

Training, understanding of how one's gun works, or a better holster.
 
When in doubt, I recommend that you remove the mag and clear the chamber. Then load a full mag and chamber a round then top off the mag. GTG. Why all this? Because a firearm should always be considered to be loaded and ready to fire.
 
I differ in my opinion, not to anyone's offense. I agree with carrying one way so it is second nature to know what state the gun is in. I carry in the front of my pants, without a holster and it bothers me pointing at my family jewels loaded. I work around machinery with safety's enough to know anything can malfunction so I just can't see taking that risk. I have practiced and I can draw while chambering a round, then shoot in one motion. With combat accuracy!! And before I take alot of heat for no holster, I have not had any problems with it being secure. Have been knocked over, rode dirtbikes and been thrown from a horse or 2 and it never moved. With my other ccw's, I have holsters but my g27 is a perfect fit....
 
The only reason I wouldn't Messican carry is because the gun can twist around in the pocket which can lead to an unreliable draw or getting a finger caught inside the trigger guard when trying to draw. But I guess with your Israeli chambering method, the finger in the trigger wouldn't be an issue.
 
A gun should be treated as loaded. A simple press check everytime it is placed in the holster. Every day. Always know if your weapon is loaded. If not press check.
 
Pressing the slide back and looking is the only sure way.
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Absolutely. This is the only guaranteed way to know on any auto. Its called a "chamber check" by some training schools. You force the slide back ever so slightly... maybe a centimeter at most. If there is a round in there you will see it.

Just make sure the slide is in full battery after.

If you have time, its good to do a chamber check before you go into a gun fight too. Just to make sure you don't go out with a "click".
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It sounds as though some of the contributors to this thread think I'm not sure if it's loaded. I know that I have a charged magazine in the gun, just not if one is in the pipe.

I suppose I could leave it with the trigger rearward, to serve as an indicator of which condition the gun is in.

As I said, I'm working toward total confidence in leaving my Glock in condition 1, always, but am still a relatively newcomer to concealed carry. I do know that it is a lot of extra work to worry about what condition it's in.

One last thing to mention -- I just tried pointing the gun at a mirror, and found that I can easily see the chambered round. I'm not sure if this would work for anything but a subcompact.

Thanks everyone,

Randy
 
Do what is called a brass check daily just cock the gun enough to tell if you have a round chambered and the allow the slide to go forward.
 
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