Powder Storage Question?

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Im getting into reloading, and right now im designing a bench to house all the tools of the trade. I intend to store the powder inside, in a cabinet in the bench. I need to know what the dimensions are on 1lb vontainers of powder. I also need to know if an 1 1/2" of pine with a high heat engine paint is good enough for storage. I plan on putting a lock on the door, but building a vent into the side to vent gases in case of a fire. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.
 
Depends on what brand powder. I've got old Dupont cans, newer Hodgdon cans, and newer Alliant cans. All three brands are in different sizes and shapes.
 
squirrel sniper,

Container heights for some "common" powders that I have in stock.

Reloder 15 and 22 (both 1lb) = 9"
VihtaVuori N120 and N130 (both 2lb) = 9"
IMR 4895 (1lb) = 6-5/16"
Trail Boss (9oz) = 6-5/16"
H110 (8lb) = 10-1/2"

Your storage conditions sound great ... I'm nowhere near as particular as that. My powder sits on some open shelves above my loading bench along with thousands of primers (in the original packaging). If I were you, I'd make the internal dimensions (height) of your storage locker 12" or at least 11" ... that way you can store 8lb containers if necessary.

:)
 
12" would work fine for my powders but then again, the largest amount I buy in a single container is 8lb. Maybe shotgun or black powder folks will tell you something different.

Good luck and post a picture or two when you're done.

I just had a thought ... if you make it 14" tall, you could double stack Trail Boss powder and if you make it 20" tall you could double stack IMR powder and triple stack Trail Boss powder. :D Now I've really given you something to think about!

:)
 
I think he wants shelfs in his cabnet. Not sure though. Just make them adjustable and it will be good for any and everything like I did.
 
You could just buy a cheap 2-drawer metal file cabinet. Mine holds about thirty pounds of assorted powders.

Also, the cans can be stored in their sides - no rules say they must be standing upright.
 
That sounds good, but you don't need the vent. The wood will split apart at the corners if pressure builds up. (don't reinforce the corners too much.)

Have one shelf big enough for 4, 5, and 8 pound canisters. You'll eventually accumulate some of them too -- it's cheaper than buying 1# all the time.

Metal file cabinet is not a good idea for more than 20#.
 
CU784's suggestion is a pretty good choice, especially if you have a scratch 'n' dent office furniture place around. When I was making a decision about this I thought that it had to be a tight container but it's just the opposite. The containment vessle has to be able to vent quickly if there is a fire in or around the box. Sealed tightly it becomes a bomb but if the gases can vent or even blow out a side you defeat this disaster. Really, it's available online. I settled on an old army footlocker because it is lockable and the lid is so loose that a determined cat could squeeze in there. Go ahead an knock one together to your liking out of pine and paint it nice. Just don't screw and glue one of the sides - use nails - so that it can loosen under pressure . JAT
 
Metal file cabinet is not a good idea for more than 20#.
zxcvbob - Could you elaborate on that statement? Why the twenty pound "limit"? I'm not aware of any "critical mass" storage limits, but if I'm doing something wrong I'd like to correct it.:)
 
20# is the limit for residential storage of smokeless powder (unless it is stored in a thick wooden cabinet) recommended by SAAMI. I think this limit was actually established by NFPA (same folks that write the electrical code, NFPA 70) and has been given the force of law in some jurisdictions.
 
20# is the limit for residential storage of smokeless powder (unless it is stored in a thick wooden cabinet) recommended by SAAMI. I think this limit was actually established by NFPA (same folks that write the electrical code, NFPA 70) and has been given the force of law in some jurisdictions.
zxcvbob - Thanks for the info. Now that you posted, I do recall there being recommended limits for residential storage. Many communities have similar residential restrictions in their Fire Codes.

I don't store ANY powder in our home - only in my shop, which is in an outbuilding well away from the house. Same goes for primers, gasoline cans, etc.........
 
I store about 10 pounds of powder in the house in 1# cans, and about 1000 primers. The 8-pounders and the cases of primers are out in the shed, in their respective wooden crates (near the gasoline, acetylene, O2, pesticides, etc :rolleyes: )

A 2-drawer file cabinet might be a good way to store bullets and a few small canisters of often-used powder and all that other reloading paraphernalia that's cluttering up my basement. Thanks.
 
Primer Storage
Due to their explosive nature only an absolute minimum should be kept in storage. The National Fire Protection Association' NFPA 495 says that not more than 10,000 primers should be stored in a private residence. This recommendation is law in most communities. Even a deeply involved reloader should have no reason to store more than 1,000 of each of large rifle, large rifle magnum, small rifle, large pistol, large pistol magnum, small pistol, small pistol magnum, and shotshell primers. That's 8,000 primers. With care in replacing exhausted supplies, it is not difficult to adhere to the 10,000 primer limit. Many, if not most reloaders will be able to get along nicely with far fewer primers kept on hand.

Always store primers in a remote area away from any possible source of ignition including bullet impact. Be sure no heat, spark, electrical percussion, or any other form of abuse can occur in the storage area.

Keep primers stored away from oxidizing agents, flammable liquids, and flammable solids (including handloading powders).

A storage cabinet is strongly recommended. A cabinet should be solidly constructed of 1" thick lumber to delay the transfer of heat to the contents in the event of a fire. or other mishap. Make sure the storage cabinet is remotely located with respect to trash, combustible materials, sources of heat (including sun rays), open flames, electrical equipment, hot water heaters. mechanical equipment, furnaces. solvents, flammable gasses, and so on. To avoid the potential of an unexpected or unusual accident, do not store anything else in the primer cabinet.

Naturally never smoke around primers. No smoking signs in the storage area and at the loading bench are suggested.

A bulletin is available from SAAMI entitled "Sporting Ammunition Primers: Properties, Handling, and Storage For Handloading".



Powder Storage
Generally, propellants used in sporting arms cartridges will not explode or detonate when ignited. Burning smokeless propellants do not generate the shock waves produced by an explosive. Unlike ignited smokeless propellants, the results of an explosive defies the adequate venting of shock waves even when it occurs in the open.

Ignited stored powder can raise pressure within the storage area, thus there are specific requirements for keeping powder on hand. The first of these is never to transfer any propellant from its original container, which is designed to burst or partially open at a very low pressure. Some containers will simply have their cap pushed off if the contents are ignited. This will then allow for all the gasses to be vented from the container. (keeping powder in the original container is also essential for the proper identification of the propellant).

Ignited powder will continue to burn until it is completely consumed. Therefore, stored propellants should be kept away from any source of ignition.It is imperative that the storage container have one or more weak walls. These will open out at very low pressure to vent gasses before they can cause damage in case of unintended ignition. Without this built-in protection, a strong enclosure could burst with considerable force possibly causing property damage or bodily injury.

Other storage cabinet recommendations include construction with heat resistant fire insulating materials. The cabinet should be sufficiently large to adequately vent gasses if a container were inadvertently ignited.

Storage cabinets are often made of 1" thick wood with one or more walls designed to open outward, or blow free at very low pressure. They should be many times larger than necessary to store the minimum quantities of powder.

Do not store propellants in the same area with solvents, flammable gasses, primers, or any highly combustible materials. Smoking should never be allowed in the storage areas or while handling and using powder.
Many municipalities use the National Fire Protection Agency's publication NFPA 495 as law. It, in part, states that smokeless powders intended for individual use shall not exceed 20 pounds unless stored in a wooden cabinet or box with the walls of at least 1" nominal thickness. Even then the storage quantity shall never exceed 50 pounds.

Spilled powder should never be picked up with a vacuum cleaner. Use only a brush and pan and dispose of the powder in a safe manner.

The nitroglycerin of double base powder can be absorbed through the skin, by breathing vapors, or by ingesting. Symptoms can include headaches. The following precautions must be observed when handling double base powders. In case of accidental ingestion induce vomiting and immediately call a physician. Prevent contact with food, chewing material and smoking material. Ensure adequate ventilation during handling and reloading procedures. Wash hands thoroughly after handling. Follow specific manufacturers precautions.

A bulletin is available from SAAMI entitled "Sporting Ammunition Primers: Properties, Handling, and Storage For Handloading". Every reloader should acquire a copy from:
 
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Even a deeply involved reloader should have no reason to store more than 1,000 of each of large rifle, large rifle magnum, small rifle, large pistol, large pistol magnum, small pistol, small pistol magnum, and shotshell primers. That's 8,000 primers. With care in replacing exhausted supplies, it is not difficult to adhere to the 10,000 primer limit. Many, if not most reloaders will be able to get along nicely with far fewer primers kept on hand.

I'd say that each reloader can decide for himself with how many primers he can "get along nicely with".

Don
 
For my powders I swiped my wifes old hope chest, and for the primers I've been using an old foot locker I got from work. Both have been in use for 18 years.
 
Primers

Even a deeply involved reloader should have no reason to store more than 1,000 of each of large rifle, large rifle magnum, small rifle, large pistol, large pistol magnum, small pistol, small pistol magnum, and shotshell primers.


I have to disagree with that statement for a number of reasons. Here is just one. If you and your significant other were to shoot in a league and practice on a regular basis, you would know why. I'll decide how many to keep on hand as I have for the last 25 years. Without any problems, may I add.

Pat
 
Even a deeply involved reloader should have no reason to store more than 1,000 of each of large rifle, large rifle magnum, small rifle, large pistol, large pistol magnum, small pistol, small pistol magnum, and shotshell primers. That's 8,000 primers. With care in replacing exhausted supplies, it is not difficult to adhere to the 10,000 primer limit. Many, if not most reloaders will be able to get along nicely with far fewer primers kept on hand.

Who set that limit and what would happen if we have on hand, say 15k in primers? Not sure about that - but I guess I can store more at my own risk.
 
.....Even a deeply involved reloader should have no reason to store more than 1,000 of each.......

A "deeply involved reloader" who had only 1,000 primers per category at the end of 2008 is probably hurting about now. (Are those the ones who are starting the "help me find primers?" threads?) IMHO, one should have at least one year's supply on hand at all times.

While I don't consider myself "deeply involved", my MINIMUM primer requirement is 2,000 per primer category. My target supply is 4,000 and I start looking to buy when my stash drops below the target.
 
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