Pre-90s AR owners

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I get the impression that before the AWB in the 90s got everyone talking about them, AR-15s were rare to see, and were essentially "niche" guns.

I'm curious to know what the market for ARs was like in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Who bought and owned them, and why? If you were one of them, what got you interested in acquiring one?

Also, just an aside, what was the reaction towards them from other gun owners?
 
First non military AR I bought was a Colt CAR-15 in 1978 for about $300+ as I remember-an expensive gun! It is an SP-1 with no forward assist and weighs less than 6 pounds and has been abused but all ways reliable with good mags. It is butt ugly and not that accurate with it's course fixed sights. My son owns it since 2000. I hiked all over the Sierras and Big Sur mountains with it for 20 years.
My second AR is an Olympic arms (mine says SGW) CAR with 16" barrel a prong type flash hider, checkered aluminum tube free float and their SUM barrel and a 3 position all aluminum carbine stock non flat top. It is very accurate, has been heavily abused and shot thousands of rounds yet keeps on humming. It has been a "truck gun" since 1987. Next ARs are 1990-91 preban rifles; one HBAR flat top and one A1 type with military profile barrel.They were tempermental till broken in! The 2008 and latter ones are railed designer stuff after I became a senior citizen training junkie.:evil:
 
never could get my hands on a CAR in the Nam 67-70 (2 tours) . And the Car was very light and I was trained on it by the DEA in 1974.:evil:
 
Colt SP-1 carbine in 1980.
$395.

Why did I wait so long after getting out of the service in 1970 and wanting one then?

Because they were every scarce and hard to get before about then.

Colts entire production was going to Vietnam until that war ended.
And hardly anyone else made AR-15's at all then worth buying.

So commercial Colt AR's were near impossible to get for a while after Vietnam ended, unless you wanted to pay double what the MSRP was then.

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My Dad bought a Sendra SP1 clone in about 1984 from an army surplus store. He wasn't a big gun guy although we had a 22 and some shotguns. We took it shooting maybe once or twice a year while I was a teenager and had a lot of fun with it.

They weren't super rare as I remember seeing them at the gun shops near where we lived in Northern Illinois. While not as popular at the range compared to today, there was usually a sprinkling of black guns around when we went shooting.

By the time the the AWB happened he had given it to me because he lost interest. We didn't even realize how valuable it had become until I went to buy another one in the late 90's.
 
I bought my '71 model CAR (collapsible stock model) in '84. It was in like new condition with a 3x Colt scope, few hundred (a thousand, maybe?) rounds of ammo, and a soft case for $425. My fellow gun nuts seemed to like it for what it was, same as what I thought about it. Aside from that, I don't really know what the prevailing public attitude was towards so-called assault rifles back then because I lived in a rural area and nobody within miles and miles of me paid attention or cared what liberals and other dum****es thought about guns. :D I bought it because I wanted a quality, compact, semi-auto centerfire for truck duty, walking around, camping, or other general purpose use where I wanted a rifle along, but wanted compactness and magazine capacity. They were pretty rare back then (compared to now). I think some people (not me) were already enjoying envisioning themselves in Red Dawn or other SHTF scenarios, but not in epidemic proportions like now.
 
I am of the opinion that we owe a lot to Bushmaster. Bushmaster broke the Colt monopoly on AR15’s. I talked to Springfield Armory, in their pavilion at Camp Perry. Springfield Armory claims they were the first to make and advertize a non Colt civilian AR15. However, Colt sent them a cease and desist order and was going to sue them into bankruptcy if Springfield Armory did not pull their AR15’s from the market place. At the time SA was a small company, Colt was of course fat with Government procurement money, and given the disparate of resources, even though the lawsuit was baseless, Colt was going to win. SA agreed to a legal agreement never to manufacturer AR15 type rifles.

However, Bushmaster took on Colt, not only for the basic AR15, but for the M4’s, and won in court. The Colt monopoly was effectively broken, availability increased dramatically and prices dropped. The AR15 was designed to be an easily manufacturable rifle, but Colt had artificially kept supply low and prices high.

For Across the Course Highpower shooters, it was the civilians who created the basic modifications that made the AR15 a competitive target rifle. The Army Teams loved their match M14’s and were absolutely not interested in modifying the NM rules to allow AR15’s to compete. You look at Camp Perry pictures from the early nineties back to the 70’s, every civilian service rifle shooter has an MIA. The Army disallowed features such as free floating barrels, improved sights, etc. These were features that civilian gunsmiths had introduced that made the AR15 a dynamite target rifle. Somewhere in the early 90’s though, someone high up decided that the Army teams were going to use the AR as it was the issue service rifle, and that decision lifted the flood gates. The Army adopted and improved on the existing technologies, by the mid 90’s the Army teams were winning everything with AR15’s, and in 1996, the Marine Corp last used M14’s as across the course service rifles. When, in 1997, I asked Marine Corp Rifle team shooters how the AR transition was going, several members said “ About the same in off hand, better in rapid fire, a little worse at long range”. And this was fundamentally true in everyone’s experience. You picked up points and X’s in rapid fire with the AR15 that you could not make up at long range with the M14. All the top shooters are within a point of each other at 600 yards, so you have to clean the rapids with a high X count. It is a lot harder to shoot high X counts in rapid fire with the 308, you get kicked out of position.

AR15’s were so scarce that in the late 80’s early 90’s I used to get into arguments about AR15’s slamfiring. At the time everyone had heard or seen Garand/M1a’s slamfires, but no one had ever heard of an AR15 slamfiring. At the time, conventional wisdom totally discounted primer sensitivity as a factor for slamfires. There was no such thing as primer sensitivity. Primers were primers, they were all round and shiny and the sensitivity was the same for all of them, what ever that was. The only allowed causes of slamfires were “high primers and worn out receiver bridges”. Since the AR15 did not have a receiver bridge it was therefore impossible to have a slamfire with one with factory ammunition.

Now enough AR15 slamfires have occurred that the phenomena is acknowledged, but there are so few Garands and M1a’s in competition now, that you will have arguments with those who do not believe these mechanisms can slamfire.
 
I got me one of those early Bushmasters circa 1992. Come to think of it, I don't think there were many other options back then. There was Olympic Arms. I don't even remember Colt being an option. I think most of us naturally went with the Bushmaster.
 
Interesting thread and info! I was born in 87 and don't remember any of this stuff. I got into guns in 06-07 so its cool to hear about how stuff used to be! Thanks for the thread op!
 
In the late 1980s you could nearly buy 3 chi-com AKs NIB(with 3 30 round mags,sling and cleaning kit) for the price of a Colt AR15A2 Govt model.
 
I bought my first, a Colt AR15A2 carbine, about 1988.

I was in college army ROTC at the time and it seemed like a good idea to get one and build familiarity and proficiency with it.

I think I paid about $400 for it.

They didn't seem too common back then andi always figured it was due to the price, and the fact that they were essentially mil spec which meant the trigger sucked, extreme accuracy wasn't likely, iron sights were the only option short of a goofy add on to the carry handle, and the tele stocks were the issue style. The aftermarket was slim.

Now there may have been target oriented variants available from Colt or someone else, I don't know, but I never saw one in a gun shop.

A lot of gun shop wives tales about really poor reliability were common too. A hold over from some of the Bad and tragic experiences in Vietnam I assume. And the bad experience many GIs had during their service (myself included) with totally clapped out M16s and beat to piss and bent mags that the peace time army didn't see fit to replace with serviceable equipment.

Honestly I lost interest in the AR for years until I experienced the accuracy and trigger on an RRA. And learned how nuts reliable ARs are when built right and not worn out or fed with a FUBAR mag. Now I dig ARs.
 
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Bought my one and only AR...an HBAR in late 80's-early 90's...how people can remember the year is past me....I can't remember last week....but anyway.

Bought it to fill a hole in the collection, nothing more. Was never going to get a "real" M16 and this was about as close as I could get. Decided if I was going to go for an AR might as well get as much as I could afford.
 
I'm not sure who bought/owned them in the 70s/80s.

I do know that in the 80s when I was at Ft. Leonard Wood, we had a real threat of ours going missing while on Bivouac.

St. Louis thugs were allegedly known to try and "acquire" them in the woods. So, there was at least a perceived desirability back then.
 
Bought my first one in 1979, a Colt (there were no other choices), no forward assist, triangular handguards, thin BBL, basically a semi auto "Pre A1" M-16. Still have it. The other choice in a black rifle on the rack at that time was the AR-180.

Bought two more in about 1985, when Colt came out with the heavier BBL versions, grabbed a CAR-15 at the same time as well. These were pre-flattop rifles. Still have them as well.

All three are now safe queens, I beat up more modern ones.


The reason to buy them then was the same as it is now: The desire to enjoy an interesting toy.

Not to mention the Mars CETME, several G-Series FAL's, or the Dutch (original style) AR-10's that I bought off the rack then too.. ;-)


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I bought my first AR-15 in 1968. The reason I did so was that it was close to what the Army had, and I was a (beginning) collector of military weapons.

The reason that AR's were scarce in the 1970-72 time period was not that all of Colt's production was going to the military. That was never the case. What actually happened was that Colt pulled the AR-15 off the market temporarily in order to redesign the fire control mechanism. It seems that ATF raised concerns with Colt that the guns could fire automatically (uncontrollably, with hammer follow-down) if the disconnector was simply removed. The redesign involved a notched hammer and an unshrouded (beveled) bolt carrier, so that the gun would jam hopelessly if the disconnector were removed.

During the hiatus that the Colt AR-15's were unavailable, the Armalite AR-180 entered the market to fill that void. That gun was definitely a second choice at that time, but I bought two of them anyway.
 
I have haunted gun shows since 1974, and clearly remember some AR's back then. I would see a AR on a table, pick it up and think "hmm. some sort of pot metal receiver, plastic stock, and you want $300?" Just looking. Then I would move to the next table and buy a beautiful pre 64 Winchester M70 for $250.
 
My recollection is in the mid 80s before the ban HK91, AR15, Uzi, AK, SKS, Mac were all about equally common at gun shows, full auto was almost as easy to find, and none seemed to sell all that well. It seemed to me that the ban put a whole lot more of these types of guns in the hands of civilians. Talk about unindented consequences.
 
It seemed to me that the ban put a whole lot more of these types of guns in the hands of civilians. Talk about unindented consequences.

That is how it seems to me too. Bill Clinton and the DNC really seemed to kick start America arming up with high grade hardware. His motto may as well have been "2 black rifles in every safe and a few cases of ammunition."

Before that these expensive and desireable guns were more a case of "One day I hope to be able to afford one of those." While post BC it is more "Buy all you possibly can while you can, pay for it later if you have to."

At least that's the way it has looked from my perspective.
 
I went back into the military - a National Guard unit - in 1984. I was the unit armorer and was invited to join the smallbore and combat rifle teams. We couldn't sign out weapons or draw ammo for practice, so a couple of the guys had ARs to practice. I eventually bought the parts and built an Hbar. A1 parts were all that were available at the time. I took up prairie dog shooting about the same time and the AR was accurate enough to go along with my varmint rigs. SGW made the first flat top I saw - they just milled the carrying handle off an A1 upper and mounted a long Weaver base on it. I bought one. A buddy traded me out of that one. Another guy traded me a .357 Blackhawk for my next one. I had a few shortys along in there that friends decided they wanted worse than I did. Graduated to 24" bull barrels turned from the best blanks I could afford for prairie dog sticks. Just got interested in carry rifles again after O's first election and recently into 6.8.
I don't recall seeing many or any in local shops or civilian ranges back then. I do remember driving about 100 miles one day to see a shop that advertised ARs. They were the first "tactical" shop I'd ever seen and I thought the guys there were a little strange.
I shot some PPC matches back then and they started having a rifle course once a month. That was fun and ARs pretty much dominated - various distances from odd positions around obstacles and thru the woods.
 
I only have an "outsider's" point of view of ARs in the 1980s. I had only fired traditionally styled firearms in the '70s and '80s until I met a guy in tech school that became a good friend of mine. He introduced me to a few firearms that I have never fired before. One of those being an AR in '86 or '87. My friend was good enough to let me fire it a few times.

I really don't recall my thoughts being positive or negative about the AR. I really saw it as financially unobtanium to me since I was a student. The AR just seemed like something the military had, but it didn't make me dream of wanting one. I also don't recall anyone else saying anything positive or negative about it either. I didn't notice the negative kind of talk until the early '90s.

Basically, the AR around my part of the world was rarely seen and didn't seem to rile up anybody.
 
Seems to me that the media and the anti-gun crowd created the large demand. IIRC, it mainly began with the shooting in California by the crazy guy with a semi-auto AK-47 into a bunch of school kids. The news made many "newbies" more aware of the relatively low cost of many para-military rifles.

It got louder with Clinton, and by that time enough new manufacturers of ARs and importers of the AK/SKS styles had increased the availability. The gun writers got into the deal and away we went.
 
Not at all rare back in the mid to late 70s. I remember one dealer had a Colt SP-1 Sporter advertised for $226. Of course minimum wage was a lot lower back then and when I finally could afford one (my brother went in half with me on it), the going price was now $299. Still I always wanted one and had actually bought quite a lot of accessories for it (magazines, bayonet, and web gear), from various Army surplus dealers.
 
It got louder with Clinton, and by that time enough new manufacturers of ARs and importers of the AK/SKS styles had increased the availability. The gun writers got into the deal and away we went.

Speaking of decades ago, why is it that now entry level AKs are only about $100 less than an entry level AR, and SKS' are 10 times what they used to cost? Did Clinton cause that too?
 
Closing the MG registry drove the process up 5x or more in some cases.

Import bans of certain rifles drove their prices up.

I think I was in college before I fired an AR (graduated in '91.. it was right around then) I had handled a few before that at gun shows armed forces days and such. I am not sure who got the first 'clone' to market but I think the first one I fired wasn't a Colt but rather a Bushmaster.

I was an avid reader of Gun Digest & Shooter's Bible in my youth and still have several from the 80's. AS of 1988 the only AR listed for sale was a Colt. Armalite had the AR180, Sig had the AMT, Springfield had FAL's and M1A's and M1's.

I remember Woolworth's selling folding stock AK's for a song back then maybe $250 or so, but 7.62 x 39 ammo was hard to come by.
 
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