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So Predator 2 just started, and in the opening scene the druggies are having a shootout with the police/swat.

Danny Glover is about to go out to save 2 fallen officers. He has a Desert Eagle .50AE with some sort of laser pointer in his holster.

As he's looking for a primary weapon he opens a case full of HANDGUNS! Picks up a 1911 6" longslide then says "Nah... TOO SMALL". He has a freaking DE .50 in his holster and he picks up a .45 ACP?! ***. :what:

I ALMOST turned the channel by the absolute stupidity of the beginning of this movie, but it has some cool guns. Maybe I'll keep watching it :evil:
 
AVP was basically an excuse to kill a bunch of people and to put that game in a movie. It had the classic "everyone dies but one hero" plot. I am glad I didn't waste money at a theater.
 
MechAg94 said:
AVP was basically an excuse to kill a bunch of people and to put that game in a movie. It had the classic "everyone dies but one hero" plot. I am glad I didn't waste money at a theater.

You missed the whole point of the movie. AVP answers a lot of unanswered questions that surface in the Alien series. Also it gives a reason for the pyramid structures in many cultures all over the globe.
 
One of the Airsoft shops over here sold the AVP guys G36C rifles for stunt props, IIRC.

They've even sold them with the mods they made for the movie.

I agree with Lupinus, though, I want one of their plasmacasters. A light-bending wristcomp wouldn't go wrong, either.
 
Predator II, only good part was when Danny Glover was on the predator ship and was looking at the "trophy" wall.

Clearly on that wall was an Alien skull. This was the start of the "Alien vs Predator" movement.

And I agree the AVP was a little dumb. They took a good idea and in typical Hollywood fashion. Screwed it up.

Now an large Predator hunting party on a world inhabited by Aliens would be a better story. Which is better. Superior weapons or outright numbers. :evil: :evil:
 
James Cameron (my favorite director) and Ridley Scott were going to make a fifth installment of the Alien series, but they walked when news rose that an AVP movie was in the works. Cameron felt AVP would devalue the series and didn't want to be apart of Alien 5 anymore. He also admitted in an interview that AVP was the best Alien movie since Aliens.

On a side note, Cameron is supposedly involved in an animated film called Project 880 (I think it's a tentative title) that supposedly uses revolutionary camera and imaging technology. Cameron has become known for his innovations in that area.
 
Tequila_Sauer said:
James Cameron (my favorite director) and Ridley Scott were going to make a fifth installment of the Alien series, but they walked when news rose that an AVP movie was in the works. Cameron felt AVP would devalue the series and didn't want to be apart of Alien 5 anymore.
I can't imagine anything devaluing the Alien series more than Alien: Resurrection already did. Holy cow that was a horrible movie. Makes Predator II look like Citizen Kane by comparison. :eek:

Oh, and, um.... guns are cool. Too bad they didn't have any in Alien III. I could have almost liked it if it had some guns in it.
 
Project 880

The animated film that Cameron was working on was "Battle Angel Alita".

It's based on Japanese cyberpunk/anime about a post-apocalyptic (but still somewhat high-tech) future earth. A defunct girl/robot warrior is found in a trashpile or something by a scientist and repaired and reactivated. Presumably after that there's lots of fighting....

On the surface it was pretty standard Japanaime fare, but Cameron's involvment would have made it "edgy", and strip it of any Japanese wierdness that the general American audience couldn't accept. (as opposed to U.S. Anime fanboys...)
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The new super-secret "Project 880" is rumored to be a live action film (As much as they are these days, anyway, with all the CGI...) called "AVATAR".

I read a script treatment of Avatar that's been floating out on the net some time ago, it's been on Cameron's back burner since the late 80's or early 90's. The notable thing is now all online copies of that Avatar script treatment are being pulled due to letters from a studio law firm. Curious...

"Avatar" starts out in a Blade-Runner'ized future Earth with high-tech, but lots of overpopulation and poverty. The protagonist is an unemployed crippled guy in a wheelchair, possibly a veteran. Earth is probably sufficiently high-tech to fix him, but poverty, overpopulation, and a huge "have's" vs. "have not's" problem prevents it etc.

He is informed by the .gov that his twin brother has died, and they need him for a secret project. The .gov has discovered a nice clean earth-like planet a few light-years away, but the planet is covered in super-dangerous plants and animals. Other than the forcfield covered base, humans can't survive long, even in exoskeleton combat suits.

To explore the planet they use an "Avatar", a mindless body of the dominant inteligent natives of the planet, and hook the "pilot" or "wearer" into it via remote control, a.k.a. "The Matrix", but into the zombie alien body instead of a virtual reality. Then they can survive the wildlife outside the base and explore with the help of the other natives. The protagonist is needed because the link and all the tech between the Avatar and the pilot is closely matched, and he's the only one who can replace his twin.

Learning that he can walk again or at least feel like it while in the alien body, get off the crowded dirty Earth, and presumably make some $$$, he takes the job, and gets on a "sleeper" ship for a few years while his Avatar grows to maturity in a tank on board. IIRC, the Avatar is linked to his hybernation pod to make the link stronger, etc.

He gets to the planet, meets the mean, paranoid, xenophobic company security chief running the base inside the force field. Gets plugged in to his Avatar, and after some training, he finds out that the dangerous planet is really beautiful, if you just learn to adapt and think like a native. While outside in his Avatar's body he meets up with an alien girl of the tribe who helps the humans, starts falling in love etc. etc.

Something bad happens, security chief goes bonkers attacking everything. Aliens fight back with all their animals etc. Earth is dirty and evil, wants to take the planet etc. etc. etc. The native aliens dominate the battle with all their super-dangerous (but misunderstood and "beautiful") plants and animals. They find the protagonist's crippled body in the remote control chair, and they use the planet's jungle which is really a gigantic "biological internet" to move his mind permanantly into the Avatar's body. He and the alien princess presumably bump alien-uglies, get married, and have lots of cute green alien kids. Greedy evil Earth is left to die in it's own squalor offscreen.

THE END.

Now that's what's rumored to be "Project 880". Of course, what I read was just a really old treatment, so the movie could be entirely different. Although if it really is "AVATAR", I'd at least expect to see the crippled guy remote controling the alien Avatar, and lots of space marine action. Don't know if there'll be the whole "dirty Earth" PETA angle to it though...
 
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I won't watch anything with Danny Glover in it. He the epitomy of a Hollywood hipocrit. He makes his living off of violent movies only to turn around and rail against violence in society.
 
Predator was great

Predator II was good

Regarding AVP

"You missed the whole point of the movie. AVP answers a lot of unanswered questions that surface in the Alien series. Also it gives a reason for the pyramid structures in many cultures all over the globe."

Regardless of the movie's point, it still sucked horribly.
 
AVP was a collassal(sp) dissapointment (to your mother and I:p ).

Go out and buy the two AVP games (you can pick them both up for about $15). They are set in the time of the Alien movies and involve the colonial marines.:D Basicly the marines set down on a planet in the middle of a hunt between a large number of Aliens and predators. You can play as any of the three races, and the games are scarry as heck.

AVP the movie was about as scarry as watching Julia Roberts in "Pretty Woman", disturbing yes, scarry no.:neener:
 
50 Freak said:
Predator II, only good part was when Danny Glover was on the predator ship and was looking at the "trophy" wall.

Clearly on that wall was an Alien skull. This was the start of the "Alien vs Predator" movement.

And I agree the AVP was a little dumb. They took a good idea and in typical Hollywood fashion. Screwed it up.

Now an large Predator hunting party on a world inhabited by Aliens would be a better story. Which is better. Superior weapons or outright numbers. :evil: :evil:

The AVP pyramid was a training mission.
 
True fans like all the movies, from Alien to AVP, regardless if they're good or not.

Heck, look at how many zombie movies are B movies (all of 'em). Now count how many people are Zombie fans. :D Same principle :p
 
In Predator 2, what is the gun that Danny GLover has? He grabs it when he picks up the .45 and says "too small." It looks like a sawed-off shotgun, but a little more futuristic. I think they messed up if it is, b/c he fires like 10 shots with it at a time without a reload, and that's just not possible for a shotgun in that small of a package.
 
50caliber123 said:
In Predator 2, what is the gun that Danny GLover has? He grabs it when he picks up the .45 and says "too small." It looks like a sawed-off shotgun, but a little more futuristic. I think they messed up if it is, b/c he fires like 10 shots with it at a time without a reload, and that's just not possible for a shotgun in that small of a package.

You probably can if you use the short buckshot loads.
 
50 Freak said:
Predator II, only good part was when Danny Glover was on the predator ship and was looking at the "trophy" wall.

Clearly on that wall was an Alien skull. This was the start of the "Alien vs Predator" movement.

And I agree the AVP was a little dumb. They took a good idea and in typical Hollywood fashion. Screwed it up.

Now an large Predator hunting party on a world inhabited by Aliens would be a better story. Which is better. Superior weapons or outright numbers. :evil: :evil:
Actually, I think the Aliens novellas have a number of story lines like that; they're popular among some fans. They've been out for a while, well before AVP.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/explorer/0553561596/2/ref=pd_sexpl/104-6528551-0564705

Haven't read them, can't claim to be that much of a fanboy:)
 
Predator II?

I don't think the sequel was meant to be a worthy followup to the 1st movie. As I saw it, it was an over-the-top shoot-em'up with no redeeming social values to it at all. My kind of movie :evil:

I mean, really....you simply can't take this movie seriously. From the opening scene where the 'bangers are taking on the cops to when the Jamaica posse faces the Predator in the high rise (after having just dispatched a bad guy).

It was so cliched with gunplay and wall to wall violence it almost played as a satire :D
 
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