Shot while holding his 3-year-old .... New Orleans

[Quartus]

I'll second that, Edward.


For those who think mental illness or insanity or Twinkies ought to be a defense against a murder charge, I have some questions:

Are you willing to guarantee this person's future behaviour with YOUR life? If he kills again, for whatever reason, are you willing to hang for it? How about putting your wife up as the guarantee? Your daughter? Your son? Father? Mother?


If you cannnot answer truthfully YES, then by what right do you ask the rest of us to take that risk?

Don't try to tell me that's not the point. That is EXACTLY the point.

 

[blue86buick]

Just an [FYI]...

...for all we know medicare or his insurance company cut off the meds he needed to stay stable and working...

I answer calls for 1-800-Medicare (a help-line about Medicare), and can tell you that even if someone is on medicare for mental illness (disability), Medicare is not covering any sort of drugs for their mental illness. Currently, drug coverage for Medicare recipients is VERY limited...if you want to know what is covered, call 1-800-633-4227...you don't have to have Medicare, anyone can call, and it's open 24/7.

You may have been referring to Medicaid...which DOES cover drugs (in the usual sense).

Anway, [/FYI].

 

[JShirley]

The insanity defense was designed to cover the hypothetical case of the man who squeezes his wife's throat as he sleeps, thinking it's a lemon.

The ONLY question should be, did the person know what he was doing? My grandfather didn't sleep with his wife for years, after he punched a hole in the bedboard one night as he slept.

Regardless, as another said, if I see someone mowing down innocents, I will take whatever actions I can to stop them and protect life.

 

[cracked butt]

A Louisville Slugger swung very hard to the back of the man's head would knock the insanity right out of him I'd bet. If this guy doesn't get the electric chair, there is no justice left in our society.

 

[Pendragon]

I live on a quite street in that kind of neighborhood (for 1 more week! TEXAS HERE WE COME! - oop)

Anyway, a lot of us have very small children and since the street loops around, some people speed (35-50) down the street to get around to their house.

A few weeks ago, I was walking down the street and I saw a guy in a Camry speed by at about 45ish. My neighbor yelled SLOW DOWN [bodily orifice]!

I noted the kind of car, and walked around the loop. Sure enough, there it was in some guys drive way.

So I walked up to the door with my 18month old son in my arm.

Did I mention that I am 6'5" and about 330lbs? And carrying a baby makes me look even bigger

I knocked on his door and this 5'6" pudgy asian guy came to the door. I said in my serious but semi friendly voice "Hi!, I live just around the corner from you and maybe you did not realize it, but you were driving very fast down the street and a lot of us have small children. We would really appreciate it is you would be more observant in the future."

He kind of stammered an appology and said it wouldnot happen again.

Nothing like a little neighborhood peer pressure. No threats (although he might have felt a vague threat by me knowing where he lived) no cussing or nastyness, just a firm but otherwise nice request for him to be a better man.

 

[Glockster35]

Nanaimo Barr,

You can take offense to what we are saying all you want. But until something of this nature affects you personally, you really don't know what side of the street you stand.

An older lady who used to live next to my mother was (supposedly killed) by a guy I went to high school with. I supposedly killed, because they have never found her body, but her blood was everywhere.

Another guy I went to school with stabbed a girl (13) in a park many years ago. These guys were both loonies. Everyone knew it, and they had both been in and out of mental hospitals.

I know where I stand, that's why I carry a gun (when I am in the states), I won't become a victim willingly. And I expect Justice to take care of evil.

You live in North Idaho...I suspect you don't see much of what happens in the big cities. I have spent a lot of time in North Idaho myself, and know how it is there. I actually plan to retire in the Lewiston area.

 

[MeekandMild]

Schenk, whose parents live in the neighborhhod, has a history of mental illness

The liberal approach here would be to let all the violent mentally ill out of the hospital and ban shotguns. Reminds me of what happened in Tasmania a few years ago.

I see lots of mentally ill folk who are nonviolent and who are safe in society. But then I see some folk who need to be locked up forever (about 2% of the mentally ill population). The trouble is the ACLU and the federal courts have so damaged the civil committment process these folks CAN'T be locked up forever like they should be.

I'm not to the point where I say to hang them all. Rather I would propose that in order to be recognized as an ACLU lawyer a lawyer should be made sole custodian of a psychotic felon and be required to personally care for them and keep them out of trouble 24-7-52.

 

[Alan Smithiee]

how very arrogant to assume that I have never had to deal with anything like this. for all you know I have been in the situation where I had to drop someone because of a situation very like this and it turned out later that the person had been given the wrong medication by a doctor who didn't bother reading the chart and seeing that the person had a bad reaction to that med and that it was contraindicated.

I'm not saying that an investigation should not be done, I'm not saying the shooter should not be arrested, prosecuted, and sentenced to the full extent of the law. I'm not even saying that the shooter shouldn't be executed. (I support the death penalty).

Charlton Heston now has a Mental Illness, should he be strung up or locked away as some of you have advocated just because he does?

well? does he or doesn't he?

 

[Intune]

This is why the antis get recruits.

I would think that this would show more reason to own & carry one.

 

[ojibweindian]

Does Mr. Heston have violent tendencies? Has he a history of violence? Nope.

Dime to a dollar that the perp does.

Remove the perp permanently.

 

[Quartus]

Charlton Heston now has a Mental Illness, should he be strung up or locked away as some of you have advocated just because he does?

Hmmm. Guess you didn't read several posts earlier.

It should be clear when we are talking about using a rope we are talking about people whose mental state makes them violent. We are NOT talking about hanging people just because some addle-brained counselor hung a label of "mental illness" on them. That would include some people close to me, too.

And others to the same effect...



Are we clear now? We are not talking about your depressed mother. We are talking about people who are VIOLENT.